• Re: BBSes today

    From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dennisk on Fri Aug 7 18:33:00 2020
    On 08-07-20 11:13, Dennisk wrote to Nightfox <=-

    The ability to connect directly modem-modem is probably what I miss
    most about modems. Being able to chat directly, send files directly.
    It's odd how in the era of always on broadband, we can't really do this easily, and resort to dropbox, etc.

    That was fun in those days. It's theoretically possible, but no one's bothered to write the applications.


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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to Vk3jed on Fri Aug 7 20:03:00 2020
    Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-

    On 08-07-20 11:13, Dennisk wrote to Nightfox <=-

    The ability to connect directly modem-modem is probably what I miss
    most about modems. Being able to chat directly, send files directly.
    It's odd how in the era of always on broadband, we can't really do this easily, and resort to dropbox, etc.

    That was fun in those days. It's theoretically possible, but no one's bothered to write the applications.

    Shouldn't be too hard. I mean, you can kind of do it already with Telix over DosBox.

    Maybe I have found my new programming project.

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  • From Mauro Veiga@VERT/ABUTRE2 to VK3JED on Fri Aug 7 10:46:00 2020
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    Yes! The hard CRs probably was the Boxer/DOS 7.0b. A great
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    Except for the bloody hard CRs, which cause the above when quoted. :/

    It is the formatting of the boxer. Inevitable.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dennisk on Fri Aug 7 08:44:34 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Dennisk to Nightfox on Fri Aug 07 2020 11:13 am

    The ability to connect directly modem-modem is probably what I miss most about modems. Being able to chat directly, send files directly. It's odd how in the era of always on broadband, we can't really do this easily, and resort to dropbox, etc.

    It always seemed to me that you could send files directly with instant messger programs like Yahoo Messgnger, MSN Messenger, ICQ, etc., but now it seems like most of those are gone.. But these days, there is Google Hangouts, and Pidgin Messenger is still around. You should still be able to chat with people using such software and send files that way, I'd think. Though I think some chat software these days will upload your file to a temporary server location until the recipient is online to download it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Fri Aug 7 08:45:45 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Aug 06 2020 10:55 pm

    i believe it's how they all got together and negotiated. in my area we will never have fiber because of the deals verizon cut with att and charter for cellphone rights.


    so in the uppermidwest usa we are stuck with cable or ATT

    I've heard in the US, we pay some of the highest prices for some of the worst internet ni the world. There are other countries that have better internet speeds & infrastructure than we do, and customers there pay less for it.

    Nightfox

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Vk3jed on Fri Aug 7 10:42:28 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Vk3jed to Dennisk on Fri Aug 07 2020 06:33 pm

    The ability to connect directly modem-modem is probably what I miss
    most about modems. Being able to chat directly, send files
    directly. It's odd how in the era of always on broadband, we can't
    really do this easily, and resort to dropbox, etc.

    That was fun in those days. It's theoretically possible, but no one's bothered to write the applications.

    The modern version of that are instant messengers. You can chat with someone in real time, and send/receive files directly.

    They've been around for 20+ years.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 7 11:14:39 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: DaiTengu to Vk3jed on Fri Aug 07 2020 10:42 am

    That was fun in those days. It's theoretically possible, but no
    one's bothered to write the applications.

    The modern version of that are instant messengers. You can chat with someone in real time, and send/receive files directly.

    They've been around for 20+ years.

    Many of the popular instant messengers are either gone or stripped of many of their features though. MSN Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, and I think AOL Messenger are no longer working, and ICQ is not nearly what it used to be. There are things like Google Hangouts, but I'm not sure if they allow direct file transfers.

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Vk3jed on Fri Aug 7 12:24:00 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Vk3jed to Dennisk on Fri Aug 07 2020 06:33 pm

    On 08-07-20 11:13, Dennisk wrote to Nightfox <=-

    The ability to connect directly modem-modem is probably what I miss most about modems. Being able to chat directly, send files directly. It's odd how in the era of always on broadband, we can't really do this easily, and resort to dropbox, etc.

    That was fun in those days. It's theoretically possible, but no one's bothe to write the applications.


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    I'm not sure if Skype or Teamviewer would allow for file transfers. I recall
    I could do it with Bomgar on the technican side.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Nightfox on Fri Aug 7 14:39:34 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 07 2020 11:14 am

    Many of the popular instant messengers are either gone or stripped of many of their features though. MSN Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, and I think AOL Messenger are no longer working, and ICQ is not nearly what it used to be. There are things like Google Hangouts, but I'm not sure if they allow direct file transfers.

    MSN Messenger is basically Skype now, that allows direct file transfers. Believe it or not, Facebook Messenger will allow you to send a file as well, although it's really geared towards images, I believe you can still send a zip file.

    Jabber is an Open Source instant messaging system, and does require a central server (kind of like a BBS, as it's mostly independent), but you can do file transfers with that as well.

    Google Hangouts are going away Soon<tm>. I mean, technically it's transitioning to "Google Meet" or something, geared towards business clients.

    That said, things like Slack, Discord, HipChat, IRC, etc. allow one-on-one private messages with file transfers as well.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 7 15:09:41 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Fri Aug 07 2020 02:39 pm

    MSN Messenger is basically Skype now, that allows direct file transfers.

    That's true, I forgot about that. I had been using both MSN Messenger and Skype, but after MSN Messenger disappared, none of my MSN Messenger contacts showed up on my Skype contacts list. I remember doing some sort of account migration though..

    Believe it or not, Facebook Messenger will allow you to send a file as well, although it's really geared towards images, I believe you can still send a zip file.

    Facebook Messenger is something I don't really use, mainly because it doesn't seem like there's a dedicated desktop PC client for it. I've always used it in the web browser when interacting with Facebook; I've never really noticed there being an option there to send a file.

    Jabber is an Open Source instant messaging system, and does require a central server (kind of like a BBS, as it's mostly independent), but you can do file transfers with that as well.

    I forgot about Jabber.

    Google Hangouts are going away Soon<tm>. I mean, technically it's transitioning to "Google Meet" or something, geared towards business clients.

    :/ It seems like Google often cancels things that people are actually using. I only have one contact on Google Hangouts though, and I have other ways of keeping in touch with him.

    That said, things like Slack, Discord, HipChat, IRC, etc. allow one-on-one private messages with file transfers as well.

    Things like Slack, Discord, and IRC seem in a different league all their own compared to the more simple one-on-one instant messenger clients.

    Nightfox

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Fri Aug 7 15:55:35 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Dennisk on Fri Aug 07 2020 08:44 am

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Dennisk to Nightfox on Fri Aug 07 2020 11:13 am

    The ability to connect directly modem-modem is probably what I miss mos about modems. Being able to chat directly, send files directly. It's od how in the era of always on broadband, we can't really do this easily, resort to dropbox, etc.

    It always seemed to me that you could send files directly with instant messg programs like Yahoo Messgnger, MSN Messenger, ICQ, etc., but now it seems li most of those are gone.. But these days, there is Google Hangouts, and Pidg Messenger is still around. You should still be able to chat with people usi such software and send files that way, I'd think. Though I think some chat software these days will upload your file to a temporary server location unt the recipient is online to download it.

    Nightfox


    Don't forget IRC. AFAIK it allowed direct transfer between IRC clients.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Fri Aug 7 17:06:10 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Fri Aug 07 2020 03:55 pm

    It always seemed to me that you could send files directly with instant
    messg programs like Yahoo Messgnger, MSN Messenger, ICQ, etc., but now
    it seems li most of those are gone.. But these days, there is Google

    Don't forget IRC. AFAIK it allowed direct transfer between IRC clients.

    IRC seems like it's in a whole different class though.. IRC does chat rooms and isn't just a 1-on-1 instant messenger.

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Arelor on Fri Aug 7 18:46:00 2020
    Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-

    It always seemed to me that you could send files directly with instant messg programs like Yahoo Messgnger, MSN Messenger, ICQ, etc., but now it seems li most of those are gone.. But these days, there is Google Hangouts, and Pidg Messenger is still around. You should still be able to chat with people usi such software and send files that way, I'd think. Though I think some chat software these days will upload your file to a temporary server location unt the recipient is online to download it.

    Don't forget IRC. AFAIK it allowed direct transfer between IRC
    clients.

    Yes, and it still does. :-)



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  • From Warpslide@VERT/NRBBS to Arelor on Fri Aug 7 22:26:00 2020
    On 07 Aug 2020, Arelor said the following...

    Don't forget IRC. AFAIK it allowed direct transfer between IRC clients.

    IRC is where I first learned about mp3 files. There were all these IRC bots that would let you download songs & others that had an upload/download ratio.

    Jay

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Sat Aug 8 00:13:16 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Wed Aug 05 2020 08:46 am

    I agree. Some areas just don't have high-speed internet, but it seems most people assume everyone has high-speed internet these days.

    I don't mind reasonable patches which are <4gb... it just seems the norm now that a lot of games released by Activision regularly ask for players to download up to 100gb in the form of a patch. Eurogamer released a news article a few days ago informing all players of CoD:MW (2019) that the next patch would be 47gb in size. All they were adding is a new map and bug fixing so there's no reasonable excuse for such a download size, by pushing such unoptimized downloads they're ostracizing a huge chunk of the community.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Sat Aug 8 00:35:48 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Wed Aug 05 2020 02:14 pm

    I don't think it's true that it's mainly an American thing.. My dad is a HAM radio operator, and I've known other HAM radio people, who have talked to people all around the world on HAM radio. I remember my dad mentioning there used to be people in Australia that he'd talk to on HAM radio, and other places too. That was one of the cool things about it - There are HAM radio repeaters that will forward your signal all over the place.

    HAM radio certainly doesn't seem to be nearly as popular as it used to be, which may be why you haven't heard about it. But it's a worldwide thing. I actually don't know a whole lot of people into HAM radio, maybe just my dad and one other person, but it's still a thing.

    I think it's a pretty niche thing in the UK. I have seen HAM radios in Hollywood movies but I can't imagine where else. Perhaps it was much bigger over here prior to the millenium, as I wasn't really exposed to anything that wasn't either at home or at school.

    Best of luck getting your HAM radio license... they seem like great devices to use in a SHTF situation.

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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to Nightfox on Sat Aug 8 13:20:00 2020
    Nightfox wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Dennisk to Nightfox on Fri Aug 07 2020 11:13 am

    The ability to connect directly modem-modem is probably what I miss most about modems. Being able to chat directly, send files directly. It's odd how in the era of always on broadband, we can't really do this easily, and resort to dropbox, etc.

    It always seemed to me that you could send files directly with instant messger programs like Yahoo Messgnger, MSN Messenger, ICQ, etc., but
    now it seems like most of those are gone.. But these days, there is Google Hangouts, and Pidgin Messenger is still around. You should
    still be able to chat with people using such software and send files
    that way, I'd think. Though I think some chat software these days will upload your file to a temporary server location until the recipient is online to download it.

    You can still do it, but its all indirect, mediated by a server. I think we need a terminal-terminal mode in programs like Qodem and Syncterm, where you can do a direct connect, and chat and send files.

    Minicom can do it, but it doesn't support TCP. Telix can do it, over TCP with DOS, but its a bit of a hassle.

    Security is an issue, you need some authentication. Also, you need to know the IP address, and some ISPs (like Telstra in Australia) don't give you a public IP address.

    I just miss the simplicity of the direct dial.



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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to Nightfox on Sat Aug 8 13:30:00 2020
    Nightfox wrote to Arelor <=-

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Fri Aug 07 2020 03:55 pm

    It always seemed to me that you could send files directly with instant
    messg programs like Yahoo Messgnger, MSN Messenger, ICQ, etc., but now
    it seems li most of those are gone.. But these days, there is Google

    Don't forget IRC. AFAIK it allowed direct transfer between IRC clients.

    IRC seems like it's in a whole different class though.. IRC does chat rooms and isn't just a 1-on-1 instant messenger.

    Nightfox

    IRC, Facebook, Skype, MSN Messenger, Jabber, ICQ are not the same as the direct dial. They all require a configured server and/or a third party moderated account. You can't just install Skype on two machines and connect, you have to create accounts with Microsoft.

    That is what is missing, a basic program where if you only know an IP address you can connect to someone else and chat/send files, etc. Maybe you would add an authentical layer, public a public connection and encryption, but effectively the same.

    Something like Minicom/Telix using an SSH tunnel.

    Can you connect client to client with IRC?

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Fri Aug 7 23:13:24 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Aug 07 2020 08:45 am

    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Aug 06 2020 10:55 pm

    i believe it's how they all got together and negotiated. in my area
    we will never have fiber because of the deals verizon cut with att
    and charter for cellphone rights.


    so in the uppermidwest usa we are stuck with cable or ATT

    I've heard in the US, we pay some of the highest prices for some of the worst internet ni the world. There are other countries that have better internet speeds & infrastructure than we do, and customers there pay less for it.

    Nightfox


    yep and i've seen timewarner keep the speeds low and have everybody paying different prices. they would only raise the speeds when competition came in and took away customers.

    then when charter came in, they had people on 'legacy plans' where they paid more for less.
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  • From Ogg@VERT/EOTLBBS to All on Sat Aug 8 00:45:00 2020
    Hello Dennisk!

    ** On Saturday 08.08.20 - 14:30, dennisk wrote to Nightfox:

    That is what is missing, a basic program where if you only know an IP address you can connect to someone else and chat/send files, etc.
    Maybe you would add an authentical layer, public a public connection
    and encryption, but effectively the same.

    Can't a torrent transfer be a solution for the file part (sans chat)?
    From what I can tell, you can create a torrent token, send it to your
    peer, and the peer can use it to find your offering. Both systems
    coordinate the date and time they would be online and feed/seed to each other.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Andeddu on Fri Aug 7 21:50:15 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 08 2020 12:13 am

    I don't mind reasonable patches which are <4gb... it just seems the norm now that a lot of games released by Activision regularly ask for players to download up to 100gb in the form of a patch. Eurogamer released a news article a few days ago informing all players of CoD:MW (2019) that the next patch would be 47gb in size. All they were adding is a new map and bug fixing so there's no reasonable excuse for such a download size, by pushing such unoptimized downloads they're ostracizing a huge chunk of the community.

    That's pretty big.
    In the 90s, I remember downloading patches for games like Descent, Doom, and others that would update the binaries from one version to a newer version. They'd basically do a "diff" between the old & new binaries, and the patcher program would basically change the old binary into the new binary based on the differences. It made for relatively small patches, though they were made only to update a specific version. They even did that to update shareware versions, if I remember right.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dennisk on Fri Aug 7 21:53:55 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Dennisk to Nightfox on Sat Aug 08 2020 01:20 pm

    You can still do it, but its all indirect, mediated by a server. I think we need a terminal-terminal mode in programs like Qodem and Syncterm, where you can do a direct connect, and chat and send files.

    Minicom can do it, but it doesn't support TCP. Telix can do it, over TCP with DOS, but its a bit of a hassle.

    Security is an issue, you need some authentication. Also, you need to know the IP address, and some ISPs (like Telstra in Australia) don't give you a public IP address.

    I just miss the simplicity of the direct dial.


    In the 90s, there were a couple times when I would direct-dial someone over the modem and we'd just chat over the modem. And I remember there was one user on my BBS back then who I was in a user-sysop chat with, and he said on a BBS, he thought you could just go ahead and start uploading a file and it would accept the file. I told him on a BBS, you had to go to the file menu and then choose to upload (and upload to the right area) and he wasn't sure at first. I let him try it and of course, just uploading a file without going to the right place on the BBS didn't work. I think he was thinking of being on a direct-dial session with someone and sending a file over. If you were using zmodem that way, I think the receiving user's system would just auto-start and the file would start transferring when the sender started sending it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dennisk on Fri Aug 7 21:54:47 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Dennisk to Nightfox on Sat Aug 08 2020 01:30 pm

    IRC, Facebook, Skype, MSN Messenger, Jabber, ICQ are not the same as the direct dial. They all require a configured server and/or a third party

    I wasn't really thinking of direct dial in this case, but that's true.

    Can you connect client to client with IRC?

    Not that I know of. IRC clients require connecting to an IRC server.

    Nightfox

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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to Nightfox on Sat Aug 8 16:35:00 2020
    Nightfox wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Dennisk to Nightfox on Sat Aug 08 2020 01:20 pm

    You can still do it, but its all indirect, mediated by a server. I think we need a terminal-terminal mode in programs like Qodem and Syncterm, where you can do a direct connect, and chat and send files.

    Minicom can do it, but it doesn't support TCP. Telix can do it, over TCP with DOS, but its a bit of a hassle.

    Security is an issue, you need some authentication. Also, you need to know the IP address, and some ISPs (like Telstra in Australia) don't give you a public IP address.

    I just miss the simplicity of the direct dial.


    In the 90s, there were a couple times when I would direct-dial someone over the modem and we'd just chat over the modem. And I remember there was one user on my BBS back then who I was in a user-sysop chat with,
    and he said on a BBS, he thought you could just go ahead and start uploading a file and it would accept the file. I told him on a BBS,
    you had to go to the file menu and then choose to upload (and upload to the right area) and he wasn't sure at first. I let him try it and of course, just uploading a file without going to the right place on the
    BBS didn't work. I think he was thinking of being on a direct-dial session with someone and sending a file over. If you were using zmodem that way, I think the receiving user's system would just auto-start and the file would start transferring when the sender started sending it.

    There was one friend and we would do this often, just to chat, occasionally to send files. There was once where by keeping the modem connected and exiting Telix, I could give control of the DOS command prompt to him. It has something to do with redirecting stdin from the keyboard to the serial port. We also used SZmodem, which allowed chat during a file transfer, as well as games including a two player game or two, I believe.

    Zmodem would in a terminal program, automatically initiate a download. You can still do that now with ztelnet and zssh.

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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to Ogg on Sat Aug 8 16:40:00 2020
    Ogg wrote to All <=-

    Hello Dennisk!

    ** On Saturday 08.08.20 - 14:30, dennisk wrote to Nightfox:

    That is what is missing, a basic program where if you only know an IP address you can connect to someone else and chat/send files, etc.
    Maybe you would add an authentical layer, public a public connection
    and encryption, but effectively the same.

    Can't a torrent transfer be a solution for the file part (sans chat)?
    From what I can tell, you can create a torrent token, send it to your peer, and the peer can use it to find your offering. Both systems coordinate the date and time they would be online and feed/seed to each other.

    Yes, it would work. I have thought in the past of doing that. Your client would also needs to act as a tracker.

    My point isn't that there aren't ways to transfer files, there are. But you can no longer "just connect" in the way you could with Telix.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dennisk on Sat Aug 8 15:31:00 2020
    On 08-07-20 20:03, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    That was fun in those days. It's theoretically possible, but no one's bothered to write the applications.

    Shouldn't be too hard. I mean, you can kind of do it already with
    Telix over DosBox.

    Yeah, I think a newbie network programming assignment, really. :)

    Maybe I have found my new programming project.

    Should be a quick one. ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mauro Veiga on Sat Aug 8 15:38:00 2020
    On 08-07-20 10:46, Mauro Veiga wrote to VK3JED <=-

    @VIA: VERT/ABUTRE2
    Quoting Vk3jed to Mauro Veiga at 08-06-20 19:36 <=-

    Yes! The hard CRs probably was the Boxer/DOS 7.0b. A great
    editor
    that match fine with Bluewave.

    Except for the bloody hard CRs, which cause the above when quoted. :/

    It is the formatting of the boxer. Inevitable.

    Yeah, annoying they did that. :(


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    Nice! :) Let's see if it survives quoting. :)

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    Yep, they all survive multiple quoting passes. :D



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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to DaiTengu on Sat Aug 8 15:40:00 2020
    On 08-07-20 10:42, DaiTengu wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    The modern version of that are instant messengers. You can chat with someone in real time, and send/receive files directly.

    Are there any left? Some did do direct transfers, others (like Yahoo) routed stuff through their servers.

    They've been around for 20+ years.

    And almost gone now. I think Jabber/XMPP is the only one I've used in recent years, and on a separate network at that.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Moondog on Sat Aug 8 15:41:00 2020
    On 08-07-20 12:24, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I'm not sure if Skype or Teamviewer would allow for file transfers. I recall I could do it with Bomgar on the technican side.

    I think Skype may be able to do it.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Arelor on Sat Aug 8 15:47:00 2020
    On 08-07-20 15:55, Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Don't forget IRC. AFAIK it allowed direct transfer between IRC clients.

    NAT pretty much killed that. :(


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dennisk on Sat Aug 8 16:22:00 2020
    On 08-08-20 13:30, Dennisk wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Can you connect client to client with IRC?

    It has to be initiated via a server, but DCC SEND and DCC CHAT are direct client to client, once initiated. The issue is getting past NAT, because one end listens on a port for the incoming TCP connection from the other client.


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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to Vk3jed on Sat Aug 8 21:39:00 2020
    Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-

    On 08-07-20 20:03, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    That was fun in those days. It's theoretically possible, but no one's bothered to write the applications.

    Shouldn't be too hard. I mean, you can kind of do it already with
    Telix over DosBox.

    Yeah, I think a newbie network programming assignment, really. :)

    Maybe I have found my new programming project.

    Should be a quick one. ;)

    Might base it on Minicom, as it has most of the functionality already.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Sat Aug 8 08:52:00 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Aug 07 2020 08:45 am

    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Aug 06 2020 10:55 pm

    i believe it's how they all got together and negotiated. in my area we will never have fiber because of the deals verizon cut with att and charter for cellphone rights.


    so in the uppermidwest usa we are stuck with cable or ATT

    I've heard in the US, we pay some of the highest prices for some of the wors

    Nightfox

    Other nations are as large as some of our states, so I can imagine it's
    cheaper to run high speed broadband elsewhere.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Sat Aug 8 10:37:01 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat Aug 08 2020 08:52 am

    I've heard in the US, we pay some of the highest prices for some of
    the wors

    Other nations are as large as some of our states, so I can imagine it's cheaper to run high speed broadband elsewhere.

    That's probably true. Also we have an old infrastructure in the US, whereas companies in other countries have installed newer infrastructure. Also I think there are laws in the US that favor copmanies more often than consumers.

    Nightfox

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Dennisk on Sat Aug 8 13:37:11 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Dennisk to Nightfox on Sat Aug 08 2020 01:30 pm

    IRC, Facebook, Skype, MSN Messenger, Jabber, ICQ are not the same as the dir dial. They all require a configured server and/or a third party moderated account. You can't just install Skype on two machines and connect, you have create accounts with Microsoft.

    That is what is missing, a basic program where if you only know an IP addres you can connect to someone else and chat/send files, etc. Maybe you would a an authentical layer, public a public connection and encryption, but effectively the same.

    Something like Minicom/Telix using an SSH tunnel.

    Can you connect client to client with IRC?

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    IRC allows client-to-client but I am not sure if you need a server for the initial handshake.

    There is a video-conference program that allows client-to-client chats and conferences and p2p realtime conferences. It was featured in a LInux Magazine article but I don't remember the name of it. You may use servers for things like user registration and nickname managing, but that is not really necessary as far as I am aware.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Nightfox on Sat Aug 8 16:39:52 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 07 2020 03:09 pm

    That said, things like Slack, Discord, HipChat, IRC, etc. allow
    one-on-one private messages with file transfers as well.

    Things like Slack, Discord, and IRC seem in a different league all their own compared to the more simple one-on-one instant messenger clients.

    Most BBSes back in the early 90's had Multi-user chat systems, so it's not that different. You could create group chats with the instant messengers too, Jabber has rooms/channels, as did AIM (which was just an extension of AOL's original "rooms", which in turn was a rip off of IRC).

    A lot of modern instant messengers are designed for mobile, now. WhatsApp, Telegram, Facebook Messenger, etc. Heck, every mobile phone has some sort of text messaging, which is really just instant messaging between phone numbers (and capable of transferring media files)

    DaiTengu

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Sat Aug 8 18:32:48 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Ogg to All on Sat Aug 08 2020 12:45 am

    Can't a torrent transfer be a solution for the file part (sans chat)? From what I can tell, you can create a torrent token, send it to your peer, and the peer can use it to find your offering. Both systems coordinate the date and time they would be online and feed/seed to each other.


    what do you mean by torrent token?

    usually you need a tracker and seeds for torrent files.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sat Aug 8 18:36:36 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Dennisk on Fri Aug 07 2020 09:54 pm

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Dennisk to Nightfox on Sat Aug 08 2020 01:30 pm

    IRC, Facebook, Skype, MSN Messenger, Jabber, ICQ are not the same as
    the direct dial. They all require a configured server and/or a third
    party

    I wasn't really thinking of direct dial in this case, but that's true.

    Can you connect client to client with IRC?

    Not that I know of. IRC clients require connecting to an IRC server.

    you can do a DCC. so you can send files or do non relayed chats.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dennisk on Sat Aug 8 18:37:25 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Dennisk to Ogg on Sat Aug 08 2020 04:40 pm

    would also needs to act as a tracker.

    My point isn't that there aren't ways to transfer files, there are. But you can no longer "just connect" in the way you could with Telix.


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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to MRO on Sun Aug 9 12:01:00 2020
    MRO wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Dennisk to Ogg on Sat Aug 08 2020 04:40 pm

    would also needs to act as a tracker.

    My point isn't that there aren't ways to transfer files, there are. But you can no longer "just connect" in the way you could with Telix.

    KDX looks pretty cool. Will have to see what I can do with it.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Moondog on Sat Aug 8 23:17:49 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Moondog to Andeddu on Thu Aug 06 2020 01:49 pm

    This may go beyond gaming and cover films and written literature that may be locked away on encrypted devices.

    This would not surprise me one bit. In 5-10 years, we may only be able to view home movies through streaming services along with the likes of iTunes for permanent "ownership"... I guess you're be able to transfer any movies purchased from iTunes onto another non-Apple device and burn it onto a disc today, but who knowns what the rules are going to be tomorrow.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Sun Aug 9 00:22:33 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 07 2020 11:14 am

    Many of the popular instant messengers are either gone or stripped of many of their features though. MSN Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, and I think AOL Messenger are no longer working, and ICQ is not nearly what it used to be. There are things like Google Hangouts, but I'm not sure if they allow direct file transfers.

    People tend to use IMs on their phone now, hence the popularity of WhatsApp.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Sun Aug 9 00:50:02 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Fri Aug 07 2020 09:50 pm

    That's pretty big.
    In the 90s, I remember downloading patches for games like Descent, Doom, and others that would update the binaries from one version to a newer version. They'd basically do a "diff" between the old & new binaries, and the patcher program would basically change the old binary into the new binary based on the differences. It made for relatively small patches, though they were made only to update a specific version. They even did that to update shareware versions, if I remember right.

    Developers are getting very lazy these days. I have seen games like PUBG basically asking people to re-download the entire title so that it can be updated fully. Activision has been doing similar things for a while... it's so anti-consumer. The majority of developers do provide patches that target only that which is in need of being changed.

    Next-gen titles are going to exceed 200gb in install size... I'd best have a 5G connection on stand-by if I am to negotiate patches for those games!

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to DaiTengu on Sat Aug 8 21:05:47 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 08 2020 04:39 pm

    A lot of modern instant messengers are designed for mobile, now. WhatsApp, Telegram, Facebook Messenger, etc. Heck, every mobile phone has some sort of text messaging, which is really just instant messaging between phone numbers (and capable of transferring media files)

    I've heard WhatsApp and similar messengers are so popular in some countries that people just use those and might never use SMS text messenging.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Andeddu on Sat Aug 8 21:08:19 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sun Aug 09 2020 12:22 am

    Many of the popular instant messengers are either gone or stripped of
    many of their features though. MSN Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, and I
    think AOL Messenger are no longer working, and ICQ is not nearly what
    it used to be. There are things like Google Hangouts, but I'm not sure
    if they allow direct file transfers.

    People tend to use IMs on their phone now, hence the popularity of WhatsApp.

    Most of the instant messanging programs I mentioned above (MSN Messenger and Yahoo Messenger at least) had a smartphone app available too..

    There is a WhatsApp desktop program for Windows, but it requires your phone to be available on the same network, since it seems to communicate through the WhatsApp app on the phone.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Sun Aug 9 05:22:36 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Sat Aug 08 2020 09:05 pm

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 08 2020 04:39 pm

    A lot of modern instant messengers are designed for mobile, now. WhatsA Telegram, Facebook Messenger, etc. Heck, every mobile phone has some so of text messaging, which is really just instant messaging between phone numbers (and capable of transferring media files)

    I've heard WhatsApp and similar messengers are so popular in some countries that people just use those and might never use SMS text messenging.

    Nightfox


    Yes. In Spain, everybody uses Whatsapp or Telegram. Signal Messenger has gained some traction during the COVID-19 lockdowns because of claims Whatsapp was limiting the sharing of links and messages because the amount of anti-government dissenting had skyrocketed.

    SMS is mainly used for corporative messaging. It is just the one show to be
    the most reliable. It is the sort of thing banks use to deliver one-time-pins and the like.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dennisk on Sun Aug 9 18:45:00 2020
    On 08-08-20 21:39, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Might base it on Minicom, as it has most of the functionality already.

    Yeah, that's an option. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sun Aug 9 19:08:00 2020
    On 08-08-20 21:08, Nightfox wrote to Andeddu <=-

    There is a WhatsApp desktop program for Windows, but it requires your phone to be available on the same network, since it seems to
    communicate through the WhatsApp app on the phone.

    I use it, it does work well, even though it has that odd way of working. Telegram also has a desktop version, but it logs in directly, I believe.


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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Sun Aug 9 20:36:05 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Sat Aug 08 2020 09:08 pm

    Most of the instant messanging programs I mentioned above (MSN Messenger and Yahoo Messenger at least) had a smartphone app available too..

    There is a WhatsApp desktop program for Windows, but it requires your phone to be available on the same network, since it seems to communicate through the WhatsApp app on the phone.

    Nightfox

    To activate you WhatsApp account, a telephone number is required. It's one account per SIM... which is why it's so popualar, I believe. As soon as you add someone to your phone book, they're automatically added on WhatsApp.

    In the UK WhatsApp is so big I have never really heard of people using SMS. I have personally used around 5-10 SMS messages in 2020, and these messages are to older folk who don't have smartphones.

    WhatsApp is great when it comes to sending pictures, documents or videos... it's such a streamlined and easy to use service once it has access to your phone. I have been involved in larger group chats with people from work and any files dropped are accessible to those within the chat. One to one voice/video chat along with conference calls are possible too.

    I do miss MSN Messenger on Windows though. I have a lot of fond memories using that IM around 2004-2012. I recall FaceBook being responsible for partially killing it around 2009/2010. I hated that integrated web-script chat box and much perferred the MSN client.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Arelor on Sun Aug 9 20:44:15 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Sun Aug 09 2020 05:22 am

    Yes. In Spain, everybody uses Whatsapp or Telegram. Signal Messenger has gained some traction during the COVID-19 lockdowns because of claims Whatsapp was limiting the sharing of links and messages because the amount of anti-government dissenting had skyrocketed.

    The same happened here in the UK due to people spreading "misinformation"... I have seen a more concerted effort from the silicon valley giants to control information, which is why companies such as Google are being investigated in relation to the upcoming US election.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/EOTLBBS to All on Sun Aug 9 17:51:00 2020
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Sunday 09.08.20 - 06:22, arelor wrote to Nightfox:

    Yes. In Spain, everybody uses Whatsapp or Telegram. Signal Messenger
    has gained some traction during the COVID-19 lockdowns because of
    claims Whatsapp was limiting the sharing of links and messages because
    the amount of anti-government dissenting had skyrocketed.

    One thing I dislike about the new system of cellphones is that people who would otherwise be a local call due to their actual place of residence now show up as a long-distance call on my bill.

    The voice quality of the cell call is often poor too.

    I have been skirting around the problem by using a webbased sms form for
    the last few years. I could reach practically anyone on any of the
    carriers. It was free, and I didn't have to ask for email addresses that people would often quote incorrectly. I would simply ask the customer,
    "is your phone number textable?". If so, the webform service delivered to everyone except for a couple of rival telephone companies. In which case,
    I could then use an email-to-SMS method specific to that rival service.
    But recently, the webform service now limits the message to customers that use the service of the provider. :( The email-to-SMS service is impractical since each number could be based on any of the 6 or 8 services out there.

    Using the webform was extremely efficient for sending text announcing the arrival of a special order. Copy "title" from my database, and paste, and send. I wouldn't have to wait for extended number rings or listen to a lengthy answering machine message. And, I avoid extra LD charges.


    I *could* actually use my cell phone to text these people, but then I'd be exposing my cell number which I don't want to do - plus, I wouldn't have
    the copy-paste access from my database.

    To get around the "people don't quote their email addresses properly" problem, I could probably build an opt-in form on my website where people could subscribe to, and revert to plain email for special order announcements.

    BUT, if people could be convinced to simply call my BBS (hypothetical at
    this time) they could check for their messages that way! LOL


    SMS is mainly used for corporative messaging. It is just the one show
    to be the most reliable. It is the sort of thing banks use to deliver one-time-pins and the like.

    SMS doesn't require people to have a specific app (Whatsapp, Messenger, Telegram, etc) to receive a few characters. SMS doesn't bear much
    overhead on the overall signal service at all. It is a shame that its use has become a racket.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Sun Aug 9 21:07:18 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Ogg to All on Sun Aug 09 2020 05:51 pm


    One thing I dislike about the new system of cellphones is that people who would otherwise be a local call due to their actual place of residence now show up as a long-distance call on my bill.


    whats long distance?
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Andeddu on Sun Aug 9 19:31:36 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sun Aug 09 2020 08:36 pm

    To activate you WhatsApp account, a telephone number is required. It's one account per SIM... which is why it's so popualar, I believe. As soon as you add someone to your phone book, they're automatically added on WhatsApp.

    Yeah, I have some contacts on WhatsApp which is why I use it sometimes, but it's not something I use regularly.

    In the UK WhatsApp is so big I have never really heard of people using SMS. I have personally used around 5-10 SMS messages in 2020, and these messages are to older folk who don't have smartphones.

    I've heard it's different in other countries, but in the US, most people use SMS to text each other on their phones, so normally we would not have a reason to use WhatsApp unless we know someone who uses WhatsApp for some reason.

    What's the reason for people not using SMS in the UK? That seems a little strange to me, because SMS is a feature included with all cell phones, and WhatsApp is a 3rd-party app you have to install on your phone before you can use it.

    WhatsApp is great when it comes to sending pictures, documents or videos... it's such a streamlined and easy to use service once it has access to your phone.

    You can do that with SMS messages too.. What advantage does WhatsApp offer in that regard?

    I have been involved in larger group chats with
    people from work and any files dropped are accessible to those within the chat. One to one voice/video chat along with conference calls are possible too.

    You can do group chats with SMS too, and send a file out to everyone.

    I do miss MSN Messenger on Windows though. I have a lot of fond memories using that IM around 2004-2012. I recall FaceBook being responsible for partially killing it around 2009/2010. I hated that integrated web-script chat box and much perferred the MSN client.

    There are contacts I had on MSN Messneger and other chat clients that I don't have on my contacts anymore. One chat program I really miss is ICQ though. ICQ had a little profile you could fill out for yourself, and ICQ would let you search for a random chat partner from anywhere in th eworld. I used that in the late 90s to early 2000s to chat with people. I think ICQ has removed those features though.

    Nightfox

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  • From Ogg@VERT/EOTLBBS to MRO on Sun Aug 9 23:11:00 2020
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Sunday 09.08.20 - 22:07, mro wrote to Ogg:

    One thing I dislike about the new system of cellphones is that people who Og>> would otherwise be a local call due to their actual place of residence Og>> now show up as a long-distance call on my bill.


    whats long distance?

    Long distance calls incur charges per minute.
    Local calls are free.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Ogg on Mon Aug 10 16:51:00 2020
    On 08-09-20 23:11, Ogg wrote to MRO <=-

    Long distance calls incur charges per minute.
    Local calls are free.

    My plan includes all national calls (for me that's within Australia), so I can call any standard landline or mobile in the country and not pay any extra. The plan itself costs $20/month. So for me, "long distance" is irrelevant, unless it's international.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Andeddu on Mon Aug 10 07:42:03 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sun Aug 09 2020 08:36 pm

    To activate you WhatsApp account, a telephone number is required. It's one account per SIM... which is why it's so popualar,
    believe. As soon as you add someone to your phone book, they're automatically added on WhatsApp.

    The real strangth of that, from the comercial point of view, is that it removes the necessity of managing user credentials.
    Your average dumb user only needs to know his phone number to operate the messaging device. No more user/password combinations
    required, which nowadays a lot of people is unable to manage.

    This has the bonus of letting the IM service provider know your phone number and the phone number of your contacts, which is
    juicy minable data.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Andeddu on Mon Aug 10 07:44:34 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Arelor on Sun Aug 09 2020 08:44 pm

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Sun Aug 09 2020 05:22 am

    Yes. In Spain, everybody uses Whatsapp or Telegram. Signal Messenger has gained some traction during the COVID-19 lockdow
    because of claims Whatsapp was limiting the sharing of links and messages because the amount of anti-government dissenti
    had skyrocketed.

    The same happened here in the UK due to people spreading "misinformation"... I have seen a more concerted effort from the
    silicon valley giants to control information, which is why companies such as Google are being investigated in relation to th
    upcoming US election.


    I am all for fending misinformation off, but when the "fact checking agencies" are directed by politician's friends and
    non-conspiranoic topics are shadow-censored because they talk trash about the prime minister, I start to worry XD

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Mon Aug 10 09:21:01 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Sun Aug 09 2020 07:31 pm

    In the UK WhatsApp is so big I have never really heard of people using SMS. I have personally used around 5-10 SMS
    messages in 2020, and these messages are to older folk who don't have smartphones.

    I've heard it's different in other countries, but in the US, most people use SMS to text each other on their phones, so
    normally we would not have a reason to use WhatsApp unless we know someone who uses WhatsApp for some reason.

    What's the reason for people not using SMS in the UK? That seems a little strange to me, because SMS is a feature included
    with all cell phones, and WhatsApp is a 3rd-party app you have to install on your phone before you can use it.

    Most european phone plans charge you for each SMS you send, so you can save money by using an Internet IM service instead.


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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Mon Aug 10 18:18:42 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Sun Aug 09 2020 07:31 pm

    I've heard it's different in other countries, but in the US, most people use SMS to text each other on their phones, so normally we would not have a reason to use WhatsApp unless we know someone who uses WhatsApp for some reason.

    What's the reason for people not using SMS in the UK? That seems a little strange to me, because SMS is a feature included with all cell phones, and WhatsApp is a 3rd-party app you have to install on your phone before you can use it.

    You can do that with SMS messages too.. What advantage does WhatsApp offer in that regard?

    You can do group chats with SMS too, and send a file out to everyone.

    There are contacts I had on MSN Messneger and other chat clients that I don't have on my contacts anymore. One chat program I really miss is ICQ though. ICQ had a little profile you could fill out for yourself, and ICQ would let you search for a random chat partner from anywhere in th eworld.
    I used that in the late 90s to early 2000s to chat with people. I think ICQ has removed those features though.

    In the UK most people tend to sport large data packages as part of their contracts. I have access to infinite data and around 500 SMS messages per month... the internet appears to be a lot quicker to me than SMS. Also, SMS has never really been treated as an IM. No one I know has had long conversations over a short period of time over SMS, hence the necessity for MSN Messenger and FaceBook Chat in the pre-smartphone era.

    I didn't know that it was possible to SMS as part of a group... does that mean you're sending a single message several times to different people? That would eat up your SMS allocation quickly.

    In relation to pictures/files, are you referring to MMS? That's really quite slow and again, it consumes your SMS monthly allocation quickly. I've never tried sending a video over MMS - sounds like a god damn nightmare, tbh.

    ICQ was my first IM client. I liked it a lot however only really used it to speak to my cousin who lived around 400 miles away from me. mIRC was my main chat client for around three years... it was absolutely required if you were involved in the online gaming scene backin the late 90s, early 00s.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Arelor on Mon Aug 10 18:53:58 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Arelor to Andeddu on Mon Aug 10 2020 07:42 am

    The real strangth of that, from the comercial point of view, is that it removes the necessity of managing user credentials.
    Your average dumb user only needs to know his phone number to operate the messaging device. No more user/password combinations
    required, which nowadays a lot of people is unable to manage.

    This has the bonus of letting the IM service provider know your phone number and the phone number of your contacts, which is
    juicy minable data.

    It's very useful when switching over to a new phone as well. Pop in your SIM, download the app and you're all set.

    I think most phone IMs operate in the same fashion. WhatsApp is massive in the UK but I think it's different elsewhere - in Asia WeChat and Viber seem to be the go to IMs.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Andeddu on Mon Aug 10 13:59:55 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Mon Aug 10 2020 06:18 pm

    contracts. I have access to infinite data and around 500 SMS messages per month... the internet appears to be a lot quicker to me than SMS. Also,

    If you have a limited number of SMS messages per month, then that would make a difference.

    I didn't know that it was possible to SMS as part of a group... does that mean you're sending a single message several times to different people? That would eat up your SMS allocation quickly.

    You don't have to send the message multiple times. You can choose multiple recipients and create a group chat.

    In relation to pictures/files, are you referring to MMS? That's really quite slow and again, it consumes your SMS monthly allocation quickly. I've never tried sending a video over MMS - sounds like a god damn nightmare, tbh.

    It's probably MMS. I think there are benefits to something like WhatsApp for sure, like the ability to work over the internet with a wifi connection rather than only on cellular data.

    ICQ was my first IM client. I liked it a lot however only really used it to speak to my cousin who lived around 400 miles away from me. mIRC was my main chat client for around three years... it was absolutely required if you were involved in the online gaming scene backin the late 90s, early 00s.

    I had a couple family members & friends on my ICQ list, but I often used ICQ's feature of connecting you to random people to chat with. IRC is a bit of a different thing in that IRC seemed to mainly be used for chat rooms with multiple people.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Andeddu on Mon Aug 10 14:05:12 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Arelor on Mon Aug 10 2020 06:53 pm

    I think most phone IMs operate in the same fashion. WhatsApp is massive in the UK but I think it's different elsewhere - in Asia WeChat and Viber seem to be the go to IMs.

    I have some friends in Brazil who use WhatsApp. One created a few group chats for people who want to learn English, Portuguese, and Italian. That's basically the only thing I'm using WhatsApp for right now.. Nobody else I know uses WhatsApp.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Mon Aug 10 21:10:54 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Ogg to MRO on Sun Aug 09 2020 11:11 pm


    whats long distance?

    Long distance calls incur charges per minute.
    Local calls are free.


    yeah i'm just joking. in my area we havent had long distance charges
    in many many years.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Mon Aug 10 20:14:16 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: MRO to Ogg on Mon Aug 10 2020 09:10 pm

    yeah i'm just joking. in my area we havent had long distance charges
    in many many years.

    I haven't had a land line in a long time, so I don't know how it works with land lines now. But first got a cell phone in 2001, and since then, nationwide calling has been free, with only international phone numbers having long-distance charges.
    Right now I'm using an inexpensive prepaid service, and it doesn't have international calling. I'd have to buy a prepaid international phone card or something if I wanted to dial an international phone number (which I've rarely had to do).

    Nightfox

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  • From Ogg@VERT/EOTLBBS to MRO on Mon Aug 10 23:15:00 2020
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Monday 10.08.20 - 22:10, mro wrote to Ogg:

    whats long distance?

    Long distance calls incur charges per minute.
    Local calls are free.


    yeah i'm just joking. in my area we havent had long distance charges
    in many many years.

    Where exactly is your area?

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Tue Aug 11 12:40:20 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Ogg to MRO on Mon Aug 10 2020 11:15 pm

    Hello MRO!

    ** On Monday 10.08.20 - 22:10, mro wrote to Ogg:

    whats long distance?

    Long distance calls incur charges per minute.
    Local calls are free.


    yeah i'm just joking. in my area we havent had long distance
    charges in many many years.

    Where exactly is your area?

    i'm in midwest usa
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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Tue Aug 11 16:07:52 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Mon Aug 10 2020 01:59 pm

    I had a couple family members & friends on my ICQ list, but I often used ICQ's feature of connecting you to random people to chat with. IRC is a bit of a different thing in that IRC seemed to mainly be used for chat rooms with multiple people.

    I was aware you could connect with random people over ICQ which was a pretty cool feature... don't believe I ever tried it though. I'll always have a soft spot for ICQ as my first IM but it did look rough around the edges in presentation. The definitive IM for me was MSN Messenger in 2007. That update made the GUI so slick... wish it were still around today.

    The only form of IM I use anymore on my PC is Steam's built in chat with some of my friends before we load up a game.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Tue Aug 11 16:24:53 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Mon Aug 10 2020 02:05 pm

    I have some friends in Brazil who use WhatsApp. One created a few group chats for people who want to learn English, Portuguese, and Italian. That's basically the only thing I'm using WhatsApp for right now.. Nobody else I know uses WhatsApp.

    Do Americans use WhatsApp on the whole? Are IMs popular in the States or do you all have massive SMS contracts? Like I said, in the UK WhatsApp is ALL we use. I am not sure if it's the same in mainland Europe... Arelor said there's another IM that's popular in Spain but they also use WhatsApp.

    I suppose it's better if each country sticks to one popular IM so that there's no requirement to download more than one third party app. I use WhatsApp as my only internet based chat service, and I SMS the odd person who doesn't have a smart phone.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Andeddu on Tue Aug 11 20:07:00 2020
    Andeddu wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Mon Aug 10 2020 02:05 pm

    I have some friends in Brazil who use WhatsApp. One created a few group chats for people who want to learn English, Portuguese, and Italian. That's basically the only thing I'm using WhatsApp for right now.. Nobody else I know uses WhatsApp.

    Do Americans use WhatsApp on the whole? Are IMs popular in the
    States or do you all have massive SMS contracts? Like I said, in
    the UK WhatsApp is ALL we use. I am not sure if it's the same in
    mainland Europe... Arelor said there's another IM that's popular
    in Spain but they also use WhatsApp.

    WhatsApp is certainly used in the US; I would guess mostly by
    younger people. As far as I know, most (all?) phone contracts
    include unlimited SMS. Mine certainly does, and everyone I know -
    we all send a lot of texts.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Andeddu on Wed Aug 12 08:47:05 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Tue Aug 11 2020 04:24 pm

    Do Americans use WhatsApp on the whole? Are IMs popular in the States or do you all have massive SMS contracts? Like I said, in the UK WhatsApp is ALL we use. I am not sure if it's the same in mainland Europe... Arelor said there's another IM that's popular in Spain but they also use WhatsApp.

    I don't really know anyone in the US who uses WhatsApp. And I'm not sure what you mean by "massive SMS contracts"? Cell phone plans in the US usually have unlimited SMS messages; I've only occasionally heard of some plans that have limited SMS messages or where SMS messages cost extra money to send/receive.

    Nightfox

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Gamgee on Wed Aug 12 18:04:39 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Tue Aug 11 2020 08:07 pm

    WhatsApp is certainly used in the US; I would guess mostly by
    younger people. As far as I know, most (all?) phone contracts
    include unlimited SMS. Mine certainly does, and everyone I know -
    we all send a lot of texts.

    Interesting. That's never been the case in the UK. I've owned a mobile phone for over 17 years and I have never had a contract which has given me more than 500 SMS text messages per month. Pre-smartphone days, most contracts only offered 300 SMS messages - and we really needed them back then as there was no other method of mobile text communication (that was mainstream).

    Are 20GB+ data contracts the norm in the US? We consume a lot of internet data here in the UK and the plans on offer reflect that.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Andeddu on Wed Aug 12 19:16:49 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Gamgee on Wed Aug 12 2020 06:04 pm

    Interesting. That's never been the case in the UK. I've owned a mobile phone for over 17 years and I have never had a contract which has given me more than 500 SMS text messages per month. Pre-smartphone days, most contracts only offered 300 SMS messages - and we really needed them back then as there was no other method of mobile text communication (that was mainstream).

    That seems interesting to me.. For a long time, there was no WhatsApp, so I think cell phone carriers in the US just decided to provide unlimited SMS messages.

    Are 20GB+ data contracts the norm in the US? We consume a lot of internet data here in the UK and the plans on offer reflect that.

    Data caps are common. I think my data usage cap for my smartphone is actually somewhere around 5GB per month, which is much lower than the 20GB you mention. But I rarely use data on my phone when I'm out, so I've never noticed myself hitting that limit. When I use things on my smartphone that require data, often it's when I'm at home or somewhere else that has wifi. And naturally, when I'm out of the house, I'm usually busy driving or doing something anyway, so I have less chance to use my phone.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Wed Aug 12 19:17:19 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Tue Aug 11 2020 08:07 pm

    WhatsApp is certainly used in the US; I would guess mostly by
    younger people. As far as I know, most (all?) phone contracts
    include unlimited SMS. Mine certainly does, and everyone I know -
    we all send a lot of texts.

    I live in the US and haven't really noticed anyone I know using WhatsApp. I suppose it's possible though.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andeddu on Wed Aug 12 21:26:05 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Tue Aug 11 2020 04:24 pm

    Do Americans use WhatsApp on the whole? Are IMs popular in the States or do you all have massive SMS contracts? Like I said, in the UK WhatsApp is ALL we use. I am not sure if it's the same in mainland Europe... Arelor said there's another IM that's popular in Spain but they also use WhatsApp.

    I suppose it's better if each country sticks to one popular IM so that there's no requirement to download more than one third party app. I use WhatsApp as my only internet based chat service, and I SMS the odd person who doesn't have a smart phone.


    i'm in the usa and i cant really get into whatsapp.

    i use pretty much everything and so do my friends. i use google voice to keep in touch with my friends [and facebook]
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Andeddu on Wed Aug 12 21:22:00 2020
    Andeddu wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Tue Aug 11 2020 08:07 pm

    WhatsApp is certainly used in the US; I would guess mostly by
    younger people. As far as I know, most (all?) phone contracts
    include unlimited SMS. Mine certainly does, and everyone I know -
    we all send a lot of texts.

    Interesting. That's never been the case in the UK. I've owned a
    mobile phone for over 17 years and I have never had a contract
    which has given me more than 500 SMS text messages per month. Pre-smartphone days, most contracts only offered 300 SMS messages
    - and we really needed them back then as there was no other
    method of mobile text communication (that was mainstream).

    Unlimited SMS has been around as long as I can remember, certainly
    I think it is the "norm" now among all major carriers.

    Are 20GB+ data contracts the norm in the US? We consume a lot of
    internet data here in the UK and the plans on offer reflect that.

    As far as I know, the norm for data now is "unlimited". There may
    be caveats to that with some carriers, such as after a certain
    amount of bandwidth is used (generally a LOT), they start to
    "throttle" your speed some. I don't think it's usually an issue
    for 99% of folks.



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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Andeddu on Thu Aug 13 00:54:49 2020
    On 8/12/2020 10:04 AM, Andeddu wrote:

    Are 20GB+ data contracts the norm in the US? We consume a lot of internet data
    here in the UK and the plans on offer reflect that.

    My current plan is "unlimited" but subject to throttling after the first
    20G. I have hit my unthrottled cap before. I don't even have a
    personal laptop currently, but when I did it was because I was connected
    via my cell, and windows, and several apps immediately started
    updated... what really sucked it was the start of my new month of
    service, so I was throttled all that month. That was on a 5gb plan at
    the time.

    Closest I've come lately is around 17GB and that was on a 10 day road trip.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Gamgee on Thu Aug 13 04:43:32 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Wed Aug 12 2020 09:22 pm

    Unlimited SMS has been around as long as I can remember, certainly
    I think it is the "norm" now among all major carriers.

    Are 20GB+ data contracts the norm in the US? We consume a lot of internet data here in the UK and the plans on offer reflect that.

    As far as I know, the norm for data now is "unlimited". There may
    be caveats to that with some carriers, such as after a certain
    amount of bandwidth is used (generally a LOT), they start to
    "throttle" your speed some. I don't think it's usually an issue
    for 99% of folks.

    Meanwhile, here in Spain, I have no free SMS included in my plan, 5 GB of data in my plan, and I have to listen others complain
    about their plans.

    My plan is one of the cheapo ones, but unless you do a lot of marketing work on your phone you don't get a plan with lots of
    SMS, unlimited calls and 20 GB of data transfer.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Tracker1 on Thu Aug 13 14:15:43 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Thu Aug 13 2020 12:54 am

    On 8/12/2020 10:04 AM, Andeddu wrote:

    Are 20GB+ data contracts the norm in the US? We consume a lot of internet data
    here in the UK and the plans on offer reflect that.

    My current plan is "unlimited" but subject to throttling after the first 20G. I have hit my unthrottled cap before. I don't even have a
    personal laptop currently, but when I did it was because I was connected
    via my cell, and windows, and several apps immediately started
    updated... what really sucked it was the start of my new month of
    service, so I was throttled all that month. That was on a 5gb plan at
    the time.

    Closest I've come lately is around 17GB and that was on a 10 day road trip.

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    I have been using my phone plan to get a store connected to the Internet in an emergency. So far it has worked well for half the month and the 5GB are not even near to depleted. But then, the store uses Linux and BSD so you don't get surprise updates or programs that call home.


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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Thu Aug 13 17:18:37 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Wed Aug 12 2020 08:47 am

    I don't really know anyone in the US who uses WhatsApp. And I'm not sure what you mean by "massive SMS contracts"? Cell phone plans in the US usually have unlimited SMS messages; I've only occasionally heard of some plans that have limited SMS messages or where SMS messages cost extra money to send/receive.

    Ah, so that's why SMS is viable in the US... most contracts provide unlimited messages. The only time I tend to recieve SMS messages here is from delivery services such as JustEat, FedEx, DPD, Hermes, ParcelForce, RoyalMail and Yodel, other than one other person who strangely uses SMS, no one else in my life seems to. I think we are pretty dependent on the internet over here.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Thu Aug 13 18:26:57 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Wed Aug 12 2020 07:16 pm

    That seems interesting to me.. For a long time, there was no WhatsApp, so I think cell phone carriers in the US just decided to provide unlimited SMS messages.

    Data caps are common. I think my data usage cap for my smartphone is actually somewhere around 5GB per month, which is much lower than the 20GB you mention. But I rarely use data on my phone when I'm out, so I've never noticed myself hitting that limit. When I use things on my smartphone that require data, often it's when I'm at home or somewhere else that has wifi. And naturally, when I'm out of the house, I'm usually busy driving or doing something anyway, so I have less chance to use my phone.

    SMS messages were never really used as a method of conversation over here... due to the low-monthy cap, they were used to send quick messeges like instructions -- definitely not full blown conversations like we do now on WhatsApp. I think that's why IMs on the PC were so important, we were always chatting to people via the home computer. Now all text based conversations are carried out via the smartphone.

    I have an unlimited data plan which I make use of... I think I average around 27GB per month. I don't tend to connect my phone to the router at home because 4G is so quick and reliable.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Thu Aug 13 18:30:42 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Wed Aug 12 2020 09:26 pm

    i'm in the usa and i cant really get into whatsapp.

    i use pretty much everything and so do my friends. i use google voice to keep in touch with my friends [and facebook]

    It would be difficult to get into an IM unless everyone else uses it. Where I live, WhatsApp is the default method by which to speak to someone in text over the phone. If it wasn't popular and only a few of my contacts used it, I wouldn't bother downloading it. Last thing I need is a bunch of different IMs loaded on my phone with clients constantly asking to be updated.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Gamgee on Thu Aug 13 18:34:55 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Wed Aug 12 2020 09:22 pm

    As far as I know, the norm for data now is "unlimited". There may
    be caveats to that with some carriers, such as after a certain
    amount of bandwidth is used (generally a LOT), they start to
    "throttle" your speed some. I don't think it's usually an issue
    for 99% of folks.

    Same as the carriers here, they stipulate that your bandwidth may be throttled should you exceed a certain data threshold. I confirmed with my carrier that they would not throttle my internet usage.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Tracker1 on Thu Aug 13 19:00:37 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Thu Aug 13 2020 12:54 am

    My current plan is "unlimited" but subject to throttling after the first 20G. I have hit my unthrottled cap before. I don't even have a
    personal laptop currently, but when I did it was because I was connected
    via my cell, and windows, and several apps immediately started
    updated... what really sucked it was the start of my new month of
    service, so I was throttled all that month. That was on a 5gb plan at
    the time.

    Closest I've come lately is around 17GB and that was on a 10 day road trip.

    20GB should be enough of a threshold for most people. Having a phone with an uncapped unlimited data plan has sure changed the way I use technology. I pretty much just use my phone these days... I very rarely browse the web on my PC and the only other device I use to go online is my iPad. Around a decade ago I used my laptop to carry out at least 90% of all my media consumption.

    How things change!

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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Nightfox on Thu Aug 13 16:46:00 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Tue Aug 11 2020 08:07 pm

    WhatsApp is certainly used in the US; I would guess mostly by younger people. As far as I know, most (all?) phone contracts include unlimited SMS. Mine certainly does, and everyone I know -
    we all send a lot of texts.

    I live in the US and haven't really noticed anyone I know using
    WhatsApp. I sup pose it's possible though.

    One important thing to remember is that WhatsApp is used universally in OTHER countries, which in turn drives many Americans using it to talk and
    communicate with their familes and friends FROM those countries. So yes, not
    a lot of 'americans' use whatsapp as their form of text/communication, but there are many with firneds and familes in other countries that do use it -
    in order to communicate with them.

    I know its unpopular, but with the TikTok/WhatsApp bans that Trump is bringing... I just think that America shouldn't tell its citizens what they
    can and can't do. I can't wrapo my head around how thats OK. If we're free, we're free to choose what risks we want to take or not. If I can't even get people around me to mitigate and wear masks, how the hell can you tell me not to watch videos on TikTok!!



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Andeddu on Thu Aug 13 17:10:53 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Thu Aug 13 2020 06:26 pm

    SMS messages were never really used as a method of conversation over here... due to the low-monthy cap, they were used to send quick messeges like instructions -- definitely not full blown conversations like we do now on WhatsApp. I think that's why IMs on the PC were so important, we were always chatting to people via the home computer. Now all text based conversations are carried out via the smartphone.

    For me, IM programs on computers were always easier because I can type a lot faster on a real keyboard. That was especially true before smartphones, where you had to press the keys on a phone keyboard a few times to get the letter you want, for each letter. Back then I rarely used SMS messages because it just took so long to type them on a cell phone. But with smartphones, it has become easier.

    I have an unlimited data plan which I make use of... I think I average around 27GB per month. I don't tend to connect my phone to the router at home because 4G is so quick and reliable.

    I think I have a fairly quick cell data connection, but I still like to connect it to my home wifi. If I want to stream any video or perhaps music from my home media server, I think it just works better if my phone is also on my home network. Also I think my internet speed is still better than my cell data speed, which works better for video chats, etc..

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Andeddu on Thu Aug 13 17:19:14 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Tracker1 on Thu Aug 13 2020 07:00 pm

    20GB should be enough of a threshold for most people. Having a phone with an uncapped unlimited data plan has sure changed the way I use technology. I pretty much just use my phone these days... I very rarely browse the web on my PC and the only other device I use to go online is my iPad. Around a decade ago I used my laptop to carry out at least 90% of all my media consumption.

    There are times when I like to just relax and browse things online with my phone. I think it works well for that, but there are times when I want to type something, and I really like using the real keyboard on my desktop PC (or a laptop) because I type so much faster on one. As they say sometimes, mobile devices are good for consumption, but desktop PCs and laptops are still good for content creation. Though these days, you could potentially use a bluetooth keyboard & mouse with a mobile device. I've even seen adapters for a smartphone that will give you a standard USB port on a phone. My last phone (a Samsung Galaxy S7) came with one such adapter, and one time I tried using it to plug in a standard USB mouse on my phone, and I got a mouse pointer on it..

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to paulie420 on Thu Aug 13 17:20:44 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Thu Aug 13 2020 04:46 pm

    I live in the US and haven't really noticed anyone I know using
    WhatsApp. I sup pose it's possible though.

    One important thing to remember is that WhatsApp is used universally in OTHER countries, which in turn drives many Americans using it to talk and communicate with their familes and friends FROM those countries. So yes, not a lot of 'americans' use whatsapp as their form of text/communication, but there are many with firneds and familes in other countries that do use it - in order to communicate with them.

    Yep, I have some friends in other countries who use WhatsApp, and I've talked to them on WhatsApp.

    I know its unpopular, but with the TikTok/WhatsApp bans that Trump is bringing... I just think that America shouldn't tell its citizens what they can and can't do. I can't wrapo my head around how thats OK. If we're free, we're free to choose what risks we want to take or not. If I can't even get people around me to mitigate and wear masks, how the hell can you tell me not to watch videos on TikTok!!

    I've heard of the TikTok ban, but haven't heard anything about WhatsApp being banned..
    I hadn't even heard of TikTok until a few months ago, when TikTok was in the news for potentially being insecure and sending information back to China.

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Andeddu on Thu Aug 13 16:39:00 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Gamgee on Wed Aug 12 2020 06:04 pm

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Tue Aug 11 2020 08:07 pm

    WhatsApp is certainly used in the US; I would guess mostly by
    younger people. As far as I know, most (all?) phone contracts
    include unlimited SMS. Mine certainly does, and everyone I know -
    we all send a lot of texts.

    Interesting. That's never been the case in the UK. I've owned a mobile phone for over 17 years and I have never had a contract which has given me more th 500 SMS text messages per month. Pre-smartphone days, most contracts only offered 300 SMS messages - and we really needed them back then as there was other method of mobile text communication (that was mainstream).

    Are 20GB+ data contracts the norm in the US? We consume a lot of internet da here in the UK and the plans on offer reflect that.


    My brother has an "unlimited" plan, which is actually 22GB at main speed then throttles down rather than cut you off. One of the down sides to this plan
    is it's "phone data" only, implying he can't use it for an access point for other devices. I've read of similar plans that allow unlimited streaming of music and videos without penalizing your data quota, however they restrict
    your viewing quality to 480p.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 00:02:17 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Thu Aug 13 2020 05:10 pm

    For me, IM programs on computers were always easier because I can type a lot faster on a real keyboard. That was especially true before smartphones, where you had to press the keys on a phone keyboard a few times to get the letter you want, for each letter. Back then I rarely used SMS messages because it just took so long to type them on a cell phone. But with smartphones, it has become easier.

    I think pre-smartphone everyone struggled with messaging which is why we ended up with text speak. After around 2008, things got a lot easier... I began using IMs such as WhatsApp with a BlackBerry Curve which had a small qwerty keyboard which was reactive and comfortable to use. I then used a Nokia Windows phone I didn't take to at all before switching to Apple. Virtual keyboards are fine now, not as good as a full sized keyobard but I rarely make mistakes when typing on them.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 00:08:32 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Thu Aug 13 2020 05:19 pm

    There are times when I like to just relax and browse things online with my phone. I think it works well for that, but there are times when I want to type something, and I really like using the real keyboard on my desktop PC (or a laptop) because I type so much faster on one. As they say sometimes, mobile devices are good for consumption, but desktop PCs and laptops are still good for content creation. Though these days, you could potentially use a bluetooth keyboard & mouse with a mobile device. I've even seen adapters for a smartphone that will give you a standard USB port on a phone. My last phone (a Samsung Galaxy S7) came with one such adapter, and one time I tried using it to plug in a standard USB mouse on my phone, and I got a mouse pointer on it..

    I agree... phones are great for consumption. I probably watch more videos & shows on my phone than I do on my TV, web-browsing is a joy and then you've got communication programs such as WhatsApp and Skype which I use often. I definitely wouldn't consider a phone to be a go to productivity device unless there was no other alternative. It is pretty cool that Android phones can plug into other input peripherals, not sure if Apple do the same.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 00:12:55 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to paulie420 on Thu Aug 13 2020 05:20 pm

    I've heard of the TikTok ban, but haven't heard anything about WhatsApp being banned..
    I hadn't even heard of TikTok until a few months ago, when TikTok was in the news for potentially being insecure and sending information back to China.

    TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media platforms among young adults/kids.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Andeddu on Fri Aug 14 21:44:31 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:02 am

    I think pre-smartphone everyone struggled with messaging which is why we ended up with text speak. After around 2008, things got a lot easier... I

    What is "text speak"?

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Andeddu on Fri Aug 14 21:45:29 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:12 am

    I hadn't even heard of TikTok until a few months ago, when TikTok was
    in the news for potentially being insecure and sending information
    back to China.

    TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media platforms among young adults/kids.

    Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P

    Nightfox

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  • From Grease@VERT/DARKMATT to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 11:10:00 2020
    On 08-14-20 21:44, Nightfox mumbled to Andeddu about Re: BBSes today.

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:02 am

    I think pre-smartphone everyone struggled with messaging which is why we ended up with text speak. After around 2008, things got a lot easier... I

    What is "text speak"?

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 17:13:26 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Fri Aug 14 2020 09:44 pm

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:02 am

    What is "text speak"?

    it is gr8 2 spk 2 u 2nyt. ty 4 ur rply.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 17:17:48 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Fri Aug 14 2020 09:45 pm

    TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media platforms among young adults/kids.

    Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P


    Haha, coming across all these massively popular social media apps which you've never heard of before can make you feel positively one-hundred years old.

    I hadn't heard of Vine either until after it died in 2017. It was particularly big in the USA.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Andeddu on Sat Aug 15 15:17:08 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 05:17 pm

    I hadn't heard of Vine either until after it died in 2017. It was particularly big in the USA.

    There are some things I guess I don't pay much attention to. There's a TV show called Breaking Bad, which was apparently fairly popular, but I had never heard of it until there was a news story that it was in its last season. :P

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 18:03:45 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Fri Aug 14 2020 09:45 pm

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:12 am

    I hadn't even heard of TikTok until a few months ago, when TikTok was
    in the news for potentially being insecure and sending information
    back to China.

    TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media
    platforms among young adults/kids.

    Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andeddu on Sat Aug 15 18:54:18 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 05:17 pm

    you've never heard of before can make you feel positively one-hundred years old.

    I hadn't heard of Vine either until after it died in 2017. It was particularly big in the USA.


    i miss vine. it was very entertaining.
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  • From Ogg@VERT/EOTLBBS to All on Sat Aug 15 21:11:00 2020
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Saturday 15.08.20 - 19:03, mro wrote to Nightfox:

    Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P


    DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE

    Maybe some people are not interested in visiting social media cess pools.

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  • From Underminer@VERT/UNDRMINE to MRO on Sat Aug 15 21:15:15 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 06:03 pm

    TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media
    platforms among young adults/kids.
    Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Sat Aug 15 23:54:50 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Ogg to All on Sat Aug 15 2020 09:11 pm

    Hello MRO!

    ** On Saturday 15.08.20 - 19:03, mro wrote to Nightfox:

    Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P


    DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE

    Maybe some people are not interested in visiting social media cess pools.

    THEN GET OFF MY INTERNET.

    vine was just funny short videos.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ogg on Sat Aug 15 22:23:53 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Ogg to All on Sat Aug 15 2020 09:11 pm

    Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P

    DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE

    Maybe some people are not interested in visiting social media cess pools.

    It's just something I hadn't come across, I guess. It does sound vaguely familiar though. I browse the sites I like, and I don't always pay attention to what other people are using.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Underminer on Sat Aug 15 22:25:10 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Underminer to MRO on Sat Aug 15 2020 09:15 pm

    TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media
    platforms among young adults/kids.
    Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P

    DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE

    Maybe it's his Man-Cave?

    I wouldn't mind having a proper man cave. Maybe in my next house. Ideally I wouldn't mind having a basement type room where I could set up a man cave, but that probably won't happen. There aren't many houses in my area with basements anyway. :P

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sat Aug 15 22:26:30 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: MRO to Ogg on Sat Aug 15 2020 11:54 pm

    vine was just funny short videos.

    I have heard of "vines" as short videos. But I didn't realize there was a site called Vine. I've seen collections of "vines" as short funny videos on YouTube.

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Andeddu on Sun Aug 16 00:05:00 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 05:13 pm

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Fri Aug 14 2020 09:44 pm

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:02 am

    What is "text speak"?

    it is gr8 2 spk 2 u 2nyt. ty 4 ur rply.

    Almost as annoying as sentences formed with emojis

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Andeddu on Sun Aug 16 00:06:00 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 05:17 pm

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Fri Aug 14 2020 09:45 pm

    TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media platforms among young adults/kids.

    Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P


    Haha, coming across all these massively popular social media apps which you' never heard of before can make you feel positively one-hundred years old.

    I hadn't heard of Vine either until after it died in 2017. It was particular big in the USA.


    Not big enough because i never heard of it either

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Nightfox on Sun Aug 16 08:53:00 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Aug 15 2020 22:26:30


    vine was just funny short videos.

    Nightfox> I have heard of "vines" as short videos. But I didn't realize
    Nightfox> there was a site called Vine.

    the domain is/was the home of all those vine vids and the vine app ;)


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sun Aug 16 11:38:47 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Aug 15 2020 10:26 pm

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: MRO to Ogg on Sat Aug 15 2020 11:54 pm

    vine was just funny short videos.

    I have heard of "vines" as short videos. But I didn't realize there was a site called Vine. I've seen collections of "vines" as short funny videos on YouTube.

    it was an app
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Sun Aug 16 11:39:20 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Moondog to Andeddu on Sun Aug 16 2020 12:06 am


    I hadn't heard of Vine either until after it died in 2017. It was
    particular
    big in the USA.


    Not big enough because i never heard of it either


    it was huge.
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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Sun Aug 16 17:28:28 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Sat Aug 15 2020 03:17 pm

    There are some things I guess I don't pay much attention to. There's a TV show called Breaking Bad, which was apparently fairly popular, but I had never heard of it until there was a news story that it was in its last season. :P

    Haha, I think everone's seen Breaking Bad over here except me, I can't be arsed watching something that's 5+ seasons long. Too much to get through, so I'd rather not bother.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Sun Aug 16 17:59:16 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Sat Aug 15 2020 06:54 pm

    i miss vine. it was very entertaining.

    TikTok is very similar... will you miss that too?

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Moondog on Sun Aug 16 18:52:34 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Moondog to Andeddu on Sun Aug 16 2020 12:06 am

    Not big enough because i never heard of it either

    Or perhaps, like us, you're just positively middle-aged.

    Vine is the app that created over 100 massive YouTube stars.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andeddu on Sun Aug 16 19:38:33 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to MRO on Sun Aug 16 2020 05:59 pm

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Sat Aug 15 2020 06:54 pm

    i miss vine. it was very entertaining.

    TikTok is very similar... will you miss that too?

    it's similar but not the same entirely. i find it less enjoyable and i'm not an avid user.
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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Nightfox on Sun Aug 16 20:56:00 2020
    I know its unpopular, but with the TikTok/WhatsApp bans that Trump is bringing... I just think that America shouldn't tell its citizens wha they can and can't do. I can't wrapo my head around how thats OK. If

    I've heard of the TikTok ban, but haven't heard anything about WhatsApp being ba nned..

    Yea, along with TikTok hes trying to push a WhatsApp ban too - *IF* its not WhatsApp, its weibo or... one that like EVERYONE in China and India use. Regardless, I don't use either- but... if I wanted to, I thought I lived in America so that I could CHOOSE. Sure, inform me of the risks but.... free?



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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to Andeddu on Sun Aug 16 20:30:59 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sun Aug 16 2020 05:28 pm

    There are some things I guess I don't pay much attention to. There's a TV show called Breaking Bad, which was apparently fairly popular, but I had never heard of it until there was a news story that it was in its last season. :P

    Haha, I think everone's seen Breaking Bad over here except me, I can't be arsed watching something that's 5+ seasons long. Too much to get through, so I'd rather not bother.

    It's worth it. One of the best series of all-time.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Andeddu on Mon Aug 17 03:06:41 2020
    On 8/13/2020 11:00 AM, Andeddu wrote:

    20GB should be enough of a threshold for most people. Having a phone with an uncapped unlimited data plan has sure changed the way I use technology. I pretty much just use my phone these days... I very rarely browse the web on my
    PC and the only other device I use to go online is my iPad. Around a decade ago
    I used my laptop to carry out at least 90% of all my media consumption.

    How things change!

    Yeah... I use a combination of things... I'm WFH, and have a wired VPN
    device for my work laptop. Beyond this, there's a combination of
    devices connected to the TVs. I have my Shield TV, fiance and daughter
    prefer Fire sticks, and there's also chromecasting. I do watch youtube
    on TV, but will use my phone a lot of the time.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Andeddu on Mon Aug 17 03:46:53 2020
    On 8/16/2020 9:28 AM, Andeddu wrote:
    There are some things I guess I don't pay much attention to. There's a TV >> show called Breaking Bad, which was apparently fairly popular, but I had
    never heard of it until there was a news story that it was in its last
    season. :P

    Haha, I think everone's seen Breaking Bad over here except me, I can't be arsed
    watching something that's 5+ seasons long. Too much to get through, so I'd rather not bother.

    It's a decent show. You don't have to binge it, you can do it just like
    any syndication show, watching an episode a night during the week to
    wind down.

    If you like "Breaking Bad" should also give "The Shield" a view.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Mon Aug 17 11:14:25 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Sun Aug 16 2020 07:38 pm

    it's similar but not the same entirely. i find it less enjoyable and i'm not an avid user.

    I never used Vine or TikTok but I have seen my fair share of videos posted on YouTube. I agree, some can be highly entertaining. There will be a gap in the market for a new app to take over should TikTok be banned in the US.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Mon Aug 17 16:54:58 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Mon Aug 17 2020 03:06 am

    Yeah... I use a combination of things... I'm WFH, and have a wired VPN


    what the hell is WFH

    white fat human?
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andeddu on Mon Aug 17 17:00:07 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to MRO on Mon Aug 17 2020 11:14 am

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Sun Aug 16 2020 07:38 pm

    it's similar but not the same entirely. i find it less enjoyable and
    i'm not an avid user.

    I never used Vine or TikTok but I have seen my fair share of videos posted on YouTube. I agree, some can be highly entertaining. There will be a gap


    the thing about vine is it was quick, it was entertaining and it was easy.
    and you could use 3rd party apps
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  • From Hatton@VERT/THRCORN to MRO on Tue Aug 18 01:31:23 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: MRO to Tracker1 on Mon Aug 17 2020 04:54 pm

    Yeah... I use a combination of things... I'm WFH, and have a wired
    VPN

    what the hell is WFH

    white fat human?

    ROFLMAO... thanks for the laugh of the night!

    WFH in this case probably means Working From Home, esepcially with the added context of a wired VPN.

    But still, I needed the laugh... thanks!

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Tue Aug 18 15:35:00 2020
    On 08-17-20 16:54, MRO wrote to Tracker1 <-

    what the hell is WFH

    Working from home. :)


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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Tracker1 on Tue Aug 18 19:40:13 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Mon Aug 17 2020 03:06 am

    Yeah... I use a combination of things... I'm WFH, and have a wired VPN device for my work laptop. Beyond this, there's a combination of
    devices connected to the TVs. I have my Shield TV, fiance and daughter prefer Fire sticks, and there's also chromecasting. I do watch youtube
    on TV, but will use my phone a lot of the time.

    Shield TV... as in the nVidia shield? I haven't heard about that thing for a long time. Do you stream your PC onto your TV screen?

    My friend sometimes brings his Chromecast along to mine so we can watch football matches on his BT subscription... it's a brillaint versatile device. I don't have anything for my TV as all the apps I need are already on it. If I had to move from house to house, a Chromecast would be nice.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Tracker1 on Tue Aug 18 19:51:57 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Mon Aug 17 2020 03:46 am

    It's a decent show. You don't have to binge it, you can do it just like
    any syndication show, watching an episode a night during the week to
    wind down.

    If you like "Breaking Bad" should also give "The Shield" a view.

    --
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    I'll keep The Shield in mind. The first long running show I have to get through will have to be Game of Thrones. I have never watched it before, so I really must.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Tue Sep 8 00:57:45 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Aug 05 2020 09:11 pm

    I dont think many people actually have fiber. i have to use spectrum which is only like 10MB down and 2MB up. sucks.

    I have Spectrum cable here and it's pretty good (200MB down, 10MB up). It's their cheapest business tier which is required if you want static IP addresses. I think it costs me $79 a month.

    digital man

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Tue Sep 8 17:15:16 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Tue Sep 08 2020 12:57 am

    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Aug 05 2020 09:11 pm

    I dont think many people actually have fiber. i have to use spectrum
    which is only like 10MB down and 2MB up. sucks.

    I have Spectrum cable here and it's pretty good (200MB down, 10MB up). It's their cheapest business tier which is required if you want static IP addresses. I think it costs me $79 a month.

    over by me they took over from timewarner so they have their infrastructure. we've always had static ips. i could probably get faster speeds if i use
    my cable modem.
    i think i pay 60 with ten buck promo off the 70.

    (i am now using Mb instead of MB) if i pay 20 bucks more i can go from 200Mbps to 400Mbps

    i think my upload limitations are based on the area. i had much faster upload speeds when i lived 20 miles away.
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  • From Hatton@VERT/THRCORN to MRO on Wed Sep 9 03:00:33 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Tue Sep 08 2020 05:15 pm

    over by me they took over from timewarner so they have their infrastructure. we've always had static ips. i could probably get faster speeds if i use my cable modem.

    (i am now using Mb instead of MB) if i pay 20 bucks more i can go from 200Mbps to 400Mbps

    Same for me here, though I don't use my cablemode for hosting our BBS (it's on a VPS instead) so no need for a static IP.

    What's rank is that my wife's business has to pay twice the rate and gets half the speeds.

    Hatton

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Wed Sep 9 09:11:04 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Tue Sep 08 2020 05:15 pm

    (i am now using Mb instead of MB) if i pay 20 bucks more i can go from 200Mbps to 400Mbps

    Sounds similar to the service offering here. And yeah, I meant Mb (bits) when I too wrote MB before.

    digital man

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Thu Sep 10 18:26:48 2020
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Wed Sep 09 2020 09:11 am

    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Tue Sep 08 2020 05:15 pm

    (i am now using Mb instead of MB) if i pay 20 bucks more i can go from
    200Mbps to 400Mbps

    Sounds similar to the service offering here. And yeah, I meant Mb (bits) when I too wrote MB before.

    digital man

    when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MRO on Mon Sep 21 15:37:06 2020
    On 9/10/2020 4:26 PM, MRO wrote:

    when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.

    Mine's not much more than that (20Mbps ~= 2.5MBps). Most users don't
    use much upload, so ISPs use many more channels for download vs upload.
    You can always get a dedicated symmetric connection, but those aren't
    cheap. I get 200mbit down, 20 up.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Mon Sep 28 09:15:22 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Tracker1 to MRO on Mon Sep 21 2020 03:37 pm

    On 9/10/2020 4:26 PM, MRO wrote:

    when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed
    isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.

    Mine's not much more than that (20Mbps ~= 2.5MBps). Most users don't
    use much upload, so ISPs use many more channels for download vs upload. You can always get a dedicated symmetric connection, but those aren't cheap. I get 200mbit down, 20 up.


    i'm in a big city. i should have gigabit dammit!
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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to MRO on Tue Sep 29 11:13:56 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Tracker1 on Mon Sep 28 2020 09:15 am

    when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed
    isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.

    i'm in a big city. i should have gigabit dammit!

    My office is a few miles from Google/Facebook, we couldn't get anything above vDSL (6mb down, .5kb up) until about a year ago, but now were at 10Mb symetrical because it's so fucking expensive. We can go up to a gigabit, but our IT [female dog] is dumb as nails, and fucked over our relationship with the fiber line gods (AT*T).

    I mean, we don't need more than what we have, but it still pisses me off.

    I just moved to Marina in Monterey County and I now have access to gigabit if I want it, but it's through comsuck. I got 200mb to try them out, and they can't maintain that speed except for like 3am in the morning, so fuck them.

    Internet in America is only just better than Australia, and I guarantee you Australia will switch places with us in the next few years.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Android8675 on Tue Sep 29 20:48:39 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Android8675 to MRO on Tue Sep 29 2020 11:13 am

    I just moved to Marina in Monterey County and I now have access to gigabit if I want it, but it's through comsuck. I got 200mb to try them out, and they can't maintain that speed except for like 3am in the morning, so fuck them.

    Internet in America is only just better than Australia, and I guarantee you Australia will switch places with us in the next few years.



    well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Wed Sep 30 08:13:18 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Android8675 on Tue Sep 29 2020 08:48 pm

    well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.

    There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a couple) that recently did that down the street where I work. They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MRO on Wed Sep 30 11:03:56 2020
    On 9/29/2020 6:48 PM, MRO wrote:

    well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.

    From what I've read, regarding micro trenching, it hasn't been very
    good in terms of reliability... a lot of need for re-runs, unless it's
    gotten better.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wed Sep 30 16:16:18 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Sep 30 2020 08:13 am


    There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a couple) that recently did that down the street where I work. They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.



    i dont know why they just dont piggy back the power lines. that's what they used to do with cable.
    maybe they get damaged.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Wed Sep 30 16:18:24 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Tracker1 to MRO on Wed Sep 30 2020 11:03 am

    On 9/29/2020 6:48 PM, MRO wrote:

    well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville]
    they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through
    people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they
    can patch it up but people arent happy with it.

    From what I've read, regarding micro trenching, it hasn't been very
    good in terms of reliability... a lot of need for re-runs, unless it's gotten better.



    well i just looked it up and they arent going past the frost line. so that means all kinds of shit can happen. in the very least their patches will pop up and down.
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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to MRO on Wed Oct 7 08:16:58 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Android8675 on Tue Sep 29 2020 08:48 pm

    I just moved to Marina in Monterey County and I now have access to gigabit if I want it, but it's through comsuck. I got
    200mb to try them out, and they can't maintain that speed except for like 3am in the morning, so fuck them.

    well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig
    through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.

    I'd be curious as to how that goes. I've heard of city municipalities opening their own fiber Internet Service for city residents and are able to offer deals like what Google Fiber was doing (1gb for like $30/month). I suspect if people were pushed just a bit around here we could convince the city gov to at least look into something like that.

    I know any place considered "rural" should look into that I guess.

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Nightfox on Wed Oct 7 08:18:00 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Sep 30 2020 08:13 am

    There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a couple) that recently did that down the street where I work.
    They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now
    there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.

    Does it look OK, or stupid, or ugly? Man if some company came in and fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Android8675 on Wed Oct 7 12:21:34 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Wed Oct 07 2020 08:18 am

    There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a
    couple) that recently did that down the street where I work. They had
    to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the
    fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now there are round
    spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.

    Does it look OK, or stupid, or ugly? Man if some company came in and fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.

    I think it looks somewhat ugly, but then, I'm not the type to really care so much about the appearance of the sidewalk near where I live/work. As long as people can walk across it, I guess it's doing it's job. Also, I think a sidewalk is public property rather than your own property - Utility companies or the city may need to come do work on it if they need to drill for cables or a storm drain, etc.. I don't think the sidewalk is yours to do what you want with.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Android8675 on Thu Oct 8 17:09:40 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Wed Oct 07 2020 08:18 am

    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Sep 30 2020 08:13 am

    There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a
    couple) that recently did that down the street where I work.
    They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could
    run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now
    there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.

    Does it look OK, or stupid, or ugly? Man if some company came in and fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.



    i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a huge failure and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the lines.

    i guess the deeper trenches dont fuck up as bad due to tire wear, but it still looks like a black line of tar of whatever where they laid the fiber optics.
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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Thu Oct 8 21:29:20 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Android8675 on Thu Oct 08 2020 05:09 pm

    i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a huge fail and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the lines.

    Whatever happened to that google wifi for all??

    HusTler

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Thu Oct 8 23:33:11 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: HusTler to MRO on Thu Oct 08 2020 09:29 pm

    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Android8675 on Thu Oct 08 2020 05:09 pm

    i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a
    huge fail and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the
    lines.

    Whatever happened to that google wifi for all??


    never happened.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Android8675 on Sat Oct 10 14:42:25 2020
    On 10/7/2020 8:16 AM, Android8675 wrote:
    well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig
    through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.

    I'd be curious as to how that goes. I've heard of city municipalities opening their own fiber Internet Service for city residents and are able to offer deals like what Google Fiber was doing (1gb for like $30/month). I suspect if people were pushed just a bit around here we could convince the city gov to at least look into something like that.

    I know any place considered "rural" should look into that I guess.

    A lot of the incumbent cable/phone providers have actually been lobbying
    state congresses to get legislation that prevents municipalities from
    offering telecom or internet services directly.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MRO on Sat Oct 10 14:43:53 2020
    On 10/8/2020 3:09 PM, MRO wrote:

    i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a huge failure and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the lines.

    i guess the deeper trenches dont fuck up as bad due to tire wear, but it still looks like a black line of tar of whatever where they laid the fiber optics.

    In contrast though, I see that kind of tar line on streets without
    fiber, just to "repair" cracks/wear.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Sat Oct 10 21:40:36 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Tracker1 to MRO on Sat Oct 10 2020 02:43 pm

    On 10/8/2020 3:09 PM, MRO wrote:

    i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a
    huge failure and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the
    lines.

    i guess the deeper trenches dont fuck up as bad due to tire wear, but
    it still looks like a black line of tar of whatever where they laid
    the fiber
    optics.


    now imagine your internet going out for a week after some dipshit
    contractor digs up an area without contacting the company who owns the fiber

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  • From Android8675@VERT/PHARCYDE to Nightfox on Mon Oct 12 11:35:53 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to Android8675 on Wed Oct 07 2020 12:21 pm

    fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.

    I think it looks somewhat ugly, but then, I'm not the type to really care so much about the appearance of the sidewalk near where I live/work. As long as people can walk across it, I guess it's doing it's job. Also, I think a sidewalk is public property rather than your own property - Utility

    Right, I forget about that, but still property values, etc. Look at me, I buy my first house less than a year ago and i'm turning into a NIMBY'ite.

    companies or the city may need to come do work on it if they need to drill for cables or a storm drain, etc.. I don't think the sidewalk is yours to do what you want with.

    *sniff*


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  • From Android8675@VERT/PHARCYDE to HusTler on Mon Oct 12 11:38:54 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: HusTler to MRO on Thu Oct 08 2020 09:29 pm

    Whatever happened to that google wifi for all??

    I think SpaceX has taken over that project. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/03/spacex-starlink-satellite-internet-network-early-tests-show-fast-speeds.html


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Mon Oct 12 18:16:15 2020
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Tracker1 to MRO on Sat Oct 10 2020 02:43 pm

    In contrast though, I see that kind of tar line on streets without
    fiber, just to "repair" cracks/wear.

    it doesnt work if cars drive over it. it gets ripped out.
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