• Someone should make that happen..

    From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Ogg on Fri Jul 16 13:45:42 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Jul 14 2021 06:02 pm

    Once it's installed your devices, updates are built-in from the
    app and you don't need to look for any other versions. The
    telegram.org site has everything you need.

    Does the person I'm texting also need to have telegram installed? Seems to me there's a shit load of messaging software out there.

    ... When you haven't got enough iodine in your blood you get a glacier.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to HusTler on Fri Jul 16 19:14:22 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: HusTler to Ogg on Fri Jul 16 2021 01:45 pm

    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Jul 14 2021 06:02 pm

    Once it's installed your devices, updates are built-in from the
    app and you don't need to look for any other versions. The
    telegram.org site has everything you need.

    Does the person I'm texting also need to have telegram installed? Seems to m there's a shit load of messaging software out there.

    ... When you haven't got enough iodine in your blood you get a glacier.


    Yes, I am afraid Telegram is a silo. In order to talk to people in the silo you have to enter the silo yourself.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Fri Jul 16 18:41:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Friday 16.07.21 - 03:28, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    Their reference desktop implementation is built on
    Electron, which is a framework known for raping your RAM
    continuously, because it knows application frameworks
    cannot be thrown into jail for their evil deeds.


    Ok.. I dunno what Electron is. I might look it up. But wrt
    RAM, the DT version on my XP laptop only uses up an extra 200KB
    of RAM after it loads.

    Also it is liked to a phone number which I dislike as an
    authentication system. ... [...] I understand the reasons -
    for the service administrators it is so much easier to use
    phones as authenticators than user/password combos - but as
    a power end user it is insulting.

    Perhaps they use the phone for authentication because the app
    was originally a phone app? ...and DT version came later?

    So well, it gets the job done but it is not *that* good.
    It certainly beats the crap out of Whatsapp because
    Whatsapp non-mobile implementation is a JOKE (Telegram's
    suck but it DOES work), and they have the same problems
    Telegram does without its advantages (like propper bot
    support and not being related to Facebook).

    Telegram just seems very efficient in how it operates. I like
    that.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Fri Jul 16 19:02:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Friday 16.07.21 - 03:37, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    This is the reason why I am staying away from marihuana
    products for my store. A 15 ml. flask of OCB oil at a
    pitiful concentration is worth 60 eur to the public,
    because it is early technology in Spain. The problem is
    that 6 months from now this thing would be worth half of
    that so if I get a big shipment (which is the only way of
    turning a profit nowadays) I will have to eat every unsold
    unit after 6 months, or sell them at a loss.

    WHERE's the nearest next place where people can go to get some?
    Why not build a clinetelle at the cost of breaking even? I do
    that with some books that people want. Sometimes a book order
    is at a loss, but other books make up for it.

    Just from looking at one national gov't controlled outlet
    (https://ocs.ca):

    A 30ml bottle of CBD is only $14CDN here.

    Brand Solei

    THC
    5.70 - 30.00 mg | 0.20 - 1.05 mg/g

    CBD
    255.00 - 345.00 mg | 8.95 - 12.00 mg/g

    Net Weight
    28.5 g

    Plant Type
    Sativa Dominant

    Strain Name
    Treasure Island

    Extraction process
    CO2

    Terpenes
    Terpenes removed


    And, the most expensive 15ml of CBD is:

    Emprise Canada
    Legacy - Advanced Nano CBD Oil
    $39.95 / bottle (that's 27 eur)
    Taxes Included

    Brand
    Emprise Canada

    THC
    0.00 - 17.20 mg | 0.00 - 1.15 mg/g

    CBD
    285.00 - 315.00 mg | 19.00 - 21.00 mg/g

    Net Weight
    15.0 g

    Plant Type
    Blend

    Extraction process
    CO2

    Terpenes
    Beta-Caryophyllene, Beta-Myrcene, Delta-Limonene

    Grow method
    Indoor

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Fri Jul 16 19:19:00 2021
    Their reference desktop implementation is built on
    Electron, which is a framework known for raping your RAM
    continuously, because it knows application frameworks
    cannot be thrown into jail for their evil deeds.

    Ok.. I dunno what Electron is. I might look it up. But wrt
    RAM, the DT version on my XP laptop only uses up an extra 200KB
    of RAM after it loads.

    Ooops. Make that 200MB, not 200KB.




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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Sat Jul 17 02:58:42 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Wed Jul 14 2021 09:52 pm

    Well you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you allow big corporations to consolodate your information in return for convenience, or you're stuck using seperate programmes for individual needs and requirements.

    yeah, i'll do that instead of handing my life over to a company that's already been convicted in court multiple times for collecting and misusing user information.

    Well that's probably a wise choice. Eventually the Silicon Valley giants such as FaceBook, Google and Twitter are going to own it all though as they're contantly acquiring other companies and running them as subsiduries or amalgamating them into their own brands. I don't really care for social media though and I haven't plastered my entire life and GPS tracking data on their websites.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Arelor on Sat Jul 17 03:06:51 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Arelor to Andeddu on Thu Jul 15 2021 08:30 am

    Or you use a program that incorporates all the functionality you need but works in a federated manned. Something like Retroshare, which provides chats and forums, videos and filesharing and what else, but each user runs their own instances.

    Think of email, in which you have your own email server but may send messages to people who uses a different email server.

    I am sure is great and all but for something to be viable it has to be used by much of the population. I could probably have a small cluster of friends on a niche application such as Retroshare but then I would still have to use WhatsApp to speak with the rest of the normies in my chat group. I am not saying that WhatsApp, FaceBook and Twitter, etc... are all amazing but the superior versions run by companies that respect privacy are not known by the wider population.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Arelor on Sat Jul 17 03:09:55 2021
    Re: cheap 5G coverage via Starlink
    By: Arelor to Andeddu on Thu Jul 15 2021 08:33 am

    Also, if you can set an access point in a settlement in the middle of nowhere and grant 1 meg per user, it is a massive upgrade for people who had nothing before.

    Or, actually, a massive downgrade, because the Facebooks and Googles of this world will now start playing with their minds for their own goals...

    He probably meant that companies such as Google and Facebook would subsidize the cost of the equipment just to get these new people online to create a larger consumer base and also to harvest their information.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to HusTler on Fri Jul 16 21:49:00 2021
    Hello HusTler!

    ** On Friday 16.07.21 - 13:45, HusTler wrote to Ogg:

    Does the person I'm texting also need to have telegram
    installed? Seems to me there's a shit load of messaging
    software out there.

    There are a load of others, and most of them are shit, indeed.

    But Telegram is pretty sweet. ;)

    And yes, the other party needs Telegram installed and
    activated. But note, you are not forced to use it just on a
    phone. The desktop version provides the convenience of using
    your computer's keyboard. And, a recent update to the desktop
    version introduced modest photo-editing *BEFORE* sending a
    photo attachment. THAT is extremely handy when I want send a
    screenshot and highlight a particular part of the screen by
    drawing a circle or an arrow or adding a text lable or
    something.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Sat Jul 17 08:16:40 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Jul 16 2021 06:41 pm

    Also it is liked to a phone number which I dislike as an
    authentication system. ... [...] I understand the reasons -
    for the service administrators it is so much easier to use
    phones as authenticators than user/password combos - but as
    a power end user it is insulting.

    Perhaps they use the phone for authentication because the app
    was originally a phone app? ...and DT version came later?

    Maybe, but something I have noticed is that common users are no longer capable of using user/password combinations at all. I am sure developers are aware of this.

    What I mean is that is is extremely common for end users to set an user/password for some service, such as email. Then they load their access credentials in some program or application that manages them automatically so they never have to type them ever again. Then a catastrophe happens to device that stored the credentials, and when they want to access the service from a new device they discover it is user/password protected _AND THEY DIDN'T REMEMBER IT WAS USER/PASSWORD PROTECTED AT ALL_.

    So in the end of the day you get lots of phone calls from grandmas and Stoneage Joes demanding to know "Why the service is password protected now" or just asking for the credentials to be reset. If the service is any big the overhead is just BRUTAL.

    The simple solution is to skip the password system and use SMS verification.
    It sucks for power users because power users understand there is no reason why the provider should have your phone number at all and it is just a maneuver for their gain and nothing else.But it helps them deal with the sheeple with less work.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Sat Jul 17 08:32:30 2021
    Re: why I am staying away from marihuana
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Jul 16 2021 07:02 pm

    This is the reason why I am staying away from marihuana
    products for my store. A 15 ml. flask of OCB oil at a
    pitiful concentration is worth 60 eur to the public,
    because it is early technology in Spain. The problem is
    that 6 months from now this thing would be worth half of
    that so if I get a big shipment (which is the only way of
    turning a profit nowadays) I will have to eat every unsold
    unit after 6 months, or sell them at a loss.

    WHERE's the nearest next place where people can go to get some?
    Why not build a clinetelle at the cost of breaking even? I do
    that with some books that people want. Sometimes a book order
    is at a loss, but other books make up for it.


    Most of my customers are not generated organically. They are forwarded to me by doctors. Doctors are unlikely to recomend OCBs because if the patient is not in a very bad shape there are cheap useful alternatives for their problems; if the patient is really bad then OCB is going to do nothing and the patient is going to need something stronger.

    Loyalty is dead here. There is not such a thing as working at a loss or break even point in the hopes of generating regular customers. Everybody is going to backstab you because somebody else sells soap 3 cents cheaper regardless of any added value you provide - improved delivery times, for example. It cuts both ways too and you can often undercut somebody else for 10 cents and steal his customers for the month. However, there is no making a huge sacrifice in order to provide a service for somebody, because that somebody will backstab you next week for a 1% discount somewhere else.

    It pisses me off big time because I used to be the stupid guy who kept loyal to his regular stores. However, life is like the Brass board game: if you buy shipping contracts from other player (so to speak) and the other player does nothing for you in the game, you are going to end up broke. So nowadays I am only a customer to my customers within reasonable limits. Everything else I
    buy the cheapest, often from classified ads or non-woke affiliated -ecommerce.



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Sat Jul 17 08:39:59 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Jul 16 2021 07:19 pm

    Their reference desktop implementation is built on
    Electron, which is a framework known for raping your RAM
    continuously, because it knows application frameworks
    cannot be thrown into jail for their evil deeds.

    Ok.. I dunno what Electron is. I might look it up. But wrt
    RAM, the DT version on my XP laptop only uses up an extra 200KB
    of RAM after it loads.

    Ooops. Make that 200MB, not 200KB.

    Electron is an abomination so alien to the laws of logic than even Yog-Sothoth The Lurker of the Gate regards it as a monstruosity.

    Essentially it is a framework for making programs, which works by loading into memory what can only be described as most of the Chromium web browser to run whatever program you intend to execute.

    Basically it is used for distributing pseudo-web applications within a capsule so you can run them as if they were desktop applications.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Andeddu on Sat Jul 17 08:53:30 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Andeddu to Arelor on Sat Jul 17 2021 03:06 am

    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Arelor to Andeddu on Thu Jul 15 2021 08:30 am

    Or you use a program that incorporates all the functionality you need but works in a federated manned. Something like Retroshare, which provides ch and forums, videos and filesharing and what else, but each user runs thei own instances.

    Think of email, in which you have your own email server but may send messages to people who uses a different email server.

    I am sure is great and all but for something to be viable it has to be used much of the population. I could probably have a small cluster of friends on niche application such as Retroshare but then I would still have to use WhatsApp to speak with the rest of the normies in my chat group. I am not saying that WhatsApp, FaceBook and Twitter, etc... are all amazing but the superior versions run by companies that respect privacy are not known by the wider population.


    I think if some niche software you can use with your small group of friends, it *is* a viable program.

    I have 2000+ contacts in my address book and I only talk to 4 of them regularly. Most often by phone. You don't need a program that lets you talk to three million people, you need a program that lets you talk to the five people who matters to you.

    This is specially true because mainstream messengers are so abused that a message you send is unlikely to be read on time if it is urgent. I have a professional phone with some mainstream messenger installed and it is close to useless. People are just sick of messengers and just does not check them out very often anymore. Or they just check the chats of the three people who matters to them.

    But well, I suppose BBS are not viable since they are unknown to the wider population XD


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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Ogg on Sat Jul 17 09:39:17 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to HusTler on Fri Jul 16 2021 09:49 pm

    There are a load of others, and most of them are shit, indeed.

    But Telegram is pretty sweet. ;)

    I installed it on both my phone and PC. Now I need to find someone else that uses it.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Sat Jul 17 16:37:18 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Arelor to Andeddu on Sat Jul 17 2021 08:53 am

    to useless. People are just sick of messengers and just does not check them out very often anymore. Or they just check the chats of the three people who matters to them.

    But well, I suppose BBS are not viable since they are unknown to the wider population XD


    it's not really that they are unknown. the problem is they suck and nobody wants to use one. if you show someone a bbs, they dont want to use it. they have no reason to use it.
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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to HusTler on Sat Jul 17 19:43:00 2021
    Hello HusTler!

    ** On Saturday 17.07.21 - 09:39, HusTler wrote to Ogg:

    There are a load of others, and most of them are shit,
    indeed.

    But Telegram is pretty sweet. ;)

    I installed it on both my phone and PC. Now I need to find
    someone else that uses it.

    I am t.me/aabolins My icon is a pile of books with a hat on
    top. I think just searching for "aabolins" would show my link
    too. I could then get you started in some fidonet groups so
    that you can see how it looks and works on Telegram. Most
    fidonet groups still need "real names", but as long as you sign
    your message with your real name that should be good enough for
    most moderators.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Sun Jul 18 06:11:40 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to HusTler on Sat Jul 17 2021 07:43 pm


    I am t.me/aabolins My icon is a pile of books with a hat on
    top. I think just searching for "aabolins" would show my link
    too. I could then get you started in some fidonet groups so
    that you can see how it looks and works on Telegram. Most
    fidonet groups still need "real names", but as long as you sign
    your message with your real name that should be good enough for
    most moderators.

    whats the fidonet group names? when i search fidonet i just see a bunch of non english posting and spam
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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Ogg on Sun Jul 18 08:17:05 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to HusTler on Sat Jul 17 2021 07:43 pm

    I installed it on both my phone and PC. Now I need to find
    someone else that uses it.

    I am t.me/aabolins My icon is a pile of books with a hat on
    top. I think just searching for "aabolins" would show my link
    too. I could then get you started in some fidonet groups so

    Thanks. Sending a text right now

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Sun Jul 18 08:43:58 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: MRO to Ogg on Sun Jul 18 2021 06:11 am

    whats the fidonet group names? when i search fidonet i just see a bunch of non english posting and spam ---

    I'm seeing the same thing. Russian, Polish maybe??

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sun Jul 18 10:13:00 2021
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Sunday 18.07.21 - 06:11, MRO wrote to Ogg:

    whats the fidonet group names? when i search fidonet i just
    see a bunch of non english posting and spam ..

    To avoid the detection and abuse by spam, otherbots, and people
    that duck-n-run, the fidonet ones are private or invite only.
    Originally (about a year ago now) that meant that an existing
    member was needed to "invite" another person OR add that person
    to a group. However (now about a year later), it is self
    administrating.

    If you already have Telegram set up, there are only two steps
    to link up:

    [1] Send a %LIST command in the chat with the @Fido2telebot for
    list of available areas.

    [2] Send a %help command in the chat with the @Fido2telebot for
    more info.

    The %LIST will send you a full list of echos available to join
    by providing the invite links for you. The list may take a few
    minutes to arrive (it's also in two parts).

    The specifically "Fidonet" (English) ones will have "Fidonet"
    in the description. There is one echo/group exception,
    FIDOTEST; that one is English too.

    After you've joined a group/echo, you will be able to read the
    back history of messages. But you will be able to POST only
    after you complete a part of the %userprofile with the
    @Fido2telebot bot.

    The %userprofile allows you to create an optional tagline, a
    signature, a real name, etc. This is akin to a minimum
    registration on a BBS.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Sun Jul 18 11:12:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Saturday 17.07.21 - 08:16, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    ..but something I have noticed is that common users are no
    longer capable of using user/password combinations at all.
    I am sure developers are aware of this.

    What I mean is that is is extremely common for end users to
    set an user/password for some service, such as email. Then
    they load their access credentials in some program or
    application that manages them automatically so they never
    have to type them ever again. Then a catastrophe happens to
    device that stored the credentials, and when they want to
    access the service from a new device they discover it is
    user/password protected _AND THEY DIDN'T REMEMBER IT WAS
    USER/PASSWORD PROTECTED AT ALL_.

    Yes... that seems to be a consequence of people once being
    accustomed to using desktops for most of their login
    requirements and switching to tablets or phones that seem to
    manange logins a bit differently?


    The simple solution is to skip the password system and use
    SMS verification. It sucks for power users because power
    users understand there is no reason why the provider should
    have your phone number at all and it is just a maneuver for
    their gain and nothing else.But it helps them deal with the
    sheeple with less work.

    Like I said.. I bet Telegram was designed with smartphones/
    tablets in mind considering that sales seem to indicated most
    people have migrated to those devices or that they are are 1st
    devices of purchase for those entering the "net" realm for the
    first time?

    Meanwhile, Telegram's desktop solution (via an Electron core)
    might be a kludge, but it is a fine and efficient kludge never
    the less. However, Telegram's open API allows anyone to design
    and build their own Telegram app. It would be cool if there
    was one that handled Fidonet echos with FTN characteristics in
    mind: in-line requoting, random taglines, etc.

    But the current solution provided by a sysop located in Crimea
    is very clever. He's built a bot that basically acts like a
    scanner/tosser and accomodates the various FTN requirements.

    The bot even accomodates modest netmail-to-Telegram messaging
    and visa versa. It's not a vastly advertised feature, but one
    that I am willing to explain how to operate to anyone who pops
    onto the network and asks me! ;)


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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Arelor on Sun Jul 18 20:12:15 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Arelor to Andeddu on Sat Jul 17 2021 08:53 am

    I think if some niche software you can use with your small group of friends, it *is* a viable program.

    I have 2000+ contacts in my address book and I only talk to 4 of them regularly. Most often by phone. You don't need a program that lets you talk to three million people, you need a program that lets you talk to the five people who matters to you.

    This is specially true because mainstream messengers are so abused that a message you send is unlikely to be read on time if it is urgent. I have a professional phone with some mainstream messenger installed and it is close to useless. People are just sick of messengers and just does not check them out very often anymore. Or they just check the chats of the three people who matters to them.

    But well, I suppose BBS are not viable since they are unknown to the wider population XD.

    I know that WhatsApp probably sells my data and spys on me, etc... but it's a very functional app. The reason it works in the UK is that EVERYONE is using it. I think in other countries IMs are splintered between iMessage, WhatsApp along with other messengers and people end up just using SMS text messaging as a happy medium. I mostly chat on WhatsApp with my friends and I am also part of a number of group chats with people I know and casual acquaintances. If I am playing a computer game on the PC with friend, we will usually speak over Skype. That's really the extent of social media and instant messengers for me.

    Lol, BBSes are totally niche to the wider population. I have mentioned it to a few people and have been met back with vacant blank stares. The closest main stream thing I can think of to describe BBSes is Teletext... only BBSes are like an interactive forum version of that. We are at the stage now where a lot of people don't even know what Teletext is though.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Sun Jul 18 20:21:51 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: MRO to Arelor on Sat Jul 17 2021 04:37 pm

    But well, I suppose BBS are not viable since they are unknown to the wider population XD


    it's not really that they are unknown. the problem is they suck and nobody wants to use one. if you show someone a bbs, they dont want to use it. they have no reason to use it.

    There's also an entry barrier as BBSes are much more complicated to use than websites like Reddit, Facebook or other forums. The only reason I learned about the BBS scene is because I have a few oldie 80s computers I like to use online which is a fairly niche reason to be on in the first place.

    A lot of new users pop their heads in to see what the 80s internet was all about before going back onto the regular modern internet.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Mon Jul 19 09:25:03 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to MRO on Sun Jul 18 2021 10:13 am

    To avoid the detection and abuse by spam, otherbots, and people
    that duck-n-run, the fidonet ones are private or invite only.

    that must be great for getting people.


    that duck-n-run, the fidonet ones are private or invite only.
    Originally (about a year ago now) that meant that an existing
    member was needed to "invite" another person OR add that person
    to a group. However (now about a year later), it is self
    administrating.

    If you already have Telegram set up, there are only two steps
    to link up:

    [1] Send a %LIST command in the chat with the @Fido2telebot for
    list of available areas.

    [2] Send a %help command in the chat with the @Fido2telebot for
    more info.

    The %LIST will send you a full list of echos available to join
    by providing the invite links for you. The list may take a few
    minutes to arrive (it's also in two parts).

    The specifically "Fidonet" (English) ones will have "Fidonet"
    in the description. There is one echo/group exception,
    FIDOTEST; that one is English too.

    After you've joined a group/echo, you will be able to read the
    back history of messages. But you will be able to POST only
    after you complete a part of the %userprofile with the
    @Fido2telebot bot.

    The %userprofile allows you to create an optional tagline, a
    signature, a real name, etc. This is akin to a minimum
    registration on a BBS.

    fuck that shit.
    i dont have time in my life for that horseshit.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ogg on Mon Jul 19 08:06:00 2021
    Ogg wrote to Arelor <=-

    Yes... that seems to be a consequence of people once being
    accustomed to using desktops for most of their login
    requirements and switching to tablets or phones that seem to
    manange logins a bit differently?

    Here's a shout-out to Keepass and Google Drive. I keep my keepass file in Google Drive and have my passwords on my phone *and* on my desktop and
    laptop.

    I use a plugin to add a "Connect via Putty" and "Connect Via WinSCP" right- click entry, so I for the systems I don't use a key with I can automatically connect without having to copy/paste creds.


    ... Where is the edge?
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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Mon Jul 19 18:06:00 2021
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Monday 19.07.21 - 09:25, MRO wrote to Ogg:

    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to MRO on Sun Jul 18 2021 10:13 am

    To avoid the detection and abuse by spam, otherbots, and people
    that duck-n-run, the fidonet ones are private or invite only.

    that must be great for getting people.

    I was just explaining the security behind it so that the
    Fidonet echos don't get spam. But if you're all set with
    Telegram , all you have to do is talk to the @Fido2telebot and
    send it the command %HELP and %LIST (akin to what BBSes do) and
    you wil receive all the info you need to get started.

    One more final registration with sending %userprofile to the
    bot to establish the real-name requirement, and you're done.

    fuck that shit.
    i dont have time in my life for that horseshit.

    That's hard for you? All that would only take less than 30 sec.
    That's too much time? :/ OK.


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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Andeddu on Mon Jul 19 20:32:25 2021
    On 6/30/2021 7:39 AM, Andeddu wrote:

    IM clients on your phone are the main form of communication now. Where I am from pretty much everyone is on WhatsApp -- it's a very good way to keep in touch with people. I don't see much of a difference between IM clients such as
    WhatsApp and the likes of MSN other than it's based on a smart phone rather than a traditional computer. I hear a lot of people are on Discord now... I don't use that so I don't know much about it. Back when I used to play online games as a teen, we used mIRC to chat with one another. That was a LONG time ago though.
    Just realized I hadn't installed Discord yet... excuse to try Winget... worked.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 20 03:43:21 2021
    Re: Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ogg on Mon Jul 19 2021 08:06 am

    Ogg wrote to Arelor <=-

    Yes... that seems to be a consequence of people once being
    accustomed to using desktops for most of their login
    requirements and switching to tablets or phones that seem to
    manange logins a bit differently?

    Here's a shout-out to Keepass and Google Drive. I keep my keepass file in Google Drive and have my passwords on my phone *and* on my desktop and laptop.

    I use a plugin to add a "Connect via Putty" and "Connect Via WinSCP" right- click entry, so I for the systems I don't use a key with I can automatically connect without having to copy/paste creds.


    ... Where is the edge?

    I don't trust a phone enough to manage a master password database from it.

    I use password-store instead, hosted in an SSH shell I control. I purposedly only use the password databse from machines trustworthy enough to initiate an SSH connection to the server hosting the database.

    If you like the Google Drive approach, Nextcloud would also work, pluss it has its own integrated password management solution via plugins.


    --
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Tracker1 on Tue Jul 20 03:45:05 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Mon Jul 19 2021 08:32 pm

    On 6/30/2021 7:39 AM, Andeddu wrote:

    IM clients on your phone are the main form of communication now. Where I a from pretty much everyone is on WhatsApp -- it's a very good way to keep i touch with people. I don't see much of a difference between IM clients suc as
    WhatsApp and the likes of MSN other than it's based on a smart phone rathe than a traditional computer. I hear a lot of people are on Discord now... don't use that so I don't know much about it. Back when I used to play onl games as a teen, we used mIRC to chat with one another. That was a LONG ti ago though.
    Just realized I hadn't installed Discord yet... excuse to try Winget... worked.

    My condolences for downloading and installing Discord.

    Don't forget to send your RAM to the hospital so they can use a rape kit on it after Discord is finished with it.

    --
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Mon Jul 19 22:51:06 2021
    On 7/7/2021 8:58 AM, Nightfox wrote:
    These days, I've seen some instances where smartphone text messages
    are available on a PC/laptop

    Windows 11 has that too (works with Android, dunno about iOS). Of
    course, I've been using Google Voice, since it was Grand Central before
    Google bought them, so using my phone and desktop is pretty much been
    it... though I've also experienced every pain of Google's schizophrenic approach to chat applications.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Ogg on Mon Jul 19 23:00:35 2021
    On 7/17/2021 4:43 PM, Ogg wrote:
    But Telegram is pretty sweet. ;)

    I installed it on both my phone and PC. Now I need to find
    someone else that uses it.

    I am t.me/aabolins My icon is a pile of books with a hat on

    http://t.me/aztracker1

    Also...

    https://t.me/bbsiochat

    but the group is really dead...

    If anyone has other groups to share that they like.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Tue Jul 20 09:05:38 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Mon Jul 19 2021 08:32 pm

    On 6/30/2021 7:39 AM, Andeddu wrote:

    IM clients on your phone are the main form of communication now. Where I am from pretty much everyone is on WhatsApp -- it's a very good way to keep in touch with people. I don't see much of a difference between IM clients such as
    WhatsApp and the likes of MSN other than it's based on a smart phone rather than a traditional computer. I hear a lot of people are on Discord now... I don't use that so I don't know much about it. Back when I used to play online games as a teen, we used mIRC to chat with one another. That was a LONG time ago though.
    Just realized I hadn't installed Discord yet... excuse to try Winget... worked.
    --

    i am a choco man
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Tue Jul 20 09:09:35 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Arelor to Tracker1 on Tue Jul 20 2021 03:45 am

    My condolences for downloading and installing Discord.

    Don't forget to send your RAM to the hospital so they can use a rape kit on it after Discord is finished with it.

    i installed it and it's using 182mb ram
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Tue Jul 20 06:54:00 2021
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    If you like the Google Drive approach, Nextcloud would also work, pluss
    it has its own integrated password management solution via plugins.

    If I ever move back to a "real" ISP, the first thing I'll do is put a box on
    a UPS at my house and go back to self-hosting. I did that way back when on a server-friendly ISP and enjoyed running my own services.

    I could put it on a VPS, but the data would be (I think) unencrypted and in the cloud - unless I'm mistaken. If there was a way to encrypt data at rest, I'd be all over that.


    ... Powered By Celeron (Tualatin). Engineered for the future.
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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Tue Jul 20 15:43:39 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: MRO to Ogg on Mon Jul 19 2021 09:25 am

    If you already have Telegram set up, there are only two steps
    to link up:

    [1] Send a %LIST command in the chat with the @Fido2telebot for
    list of available areas.

    [2] Send a %help command in the chat with the @Fido2telebot for
    more info.

    fuck that shit.
    i dont have time in my life for that horseshit.

    I agree. The developer has a lot of work to do. Everyone knows how I feel about fidonet but don't get me started. lol

    ---
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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Tracker1 on Tue Jul 20 18:03:00 2021
    Hello Tracker1!

    ** On Monday 19.07.21 - 23:00, Tracker1 wrote to Ogg:

    http://t.me/aztracker1

    We connected. Good to meet you.

    https://t.me/bbsiochat
    but the group is really dead...

    I dropped by. It seems to be primarily a ProBoard group, since
    it's being run by the owner of ProBoard?


    If anyone has other groups to share that they like.

    I'm linked up with ProgrammerJokes and one of the RT news
    channels. I don't think I would even want more at this point.

    https://t.me/rtintl
    https://t.me/programmerjokes

    The vast majority of my other links are the Fido2Telegram
    groups (via @Fido2Telebot) which are linked to the echos with
    Fidonet.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Tue Jul 20 19:52:28 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Mon Jul 19 2021 10:51 pm

    These days, I've seen some instances where smartphone text messages
    are available on a PC/laptop

    Windows 11 has that too (works with Android, dunno about iOS). Of
    course, I've been using Google Voice, since it was Grand Central before Google bought them, so using my phone and desktop is pretty much been it... though I've also experienced every pain of Google's schizophrenic approach to chat applications.

    That's cool. I heard Windows 11 is supposed to be able to run Android apps.

    I had a Samsung phone not too long ago, and they had some software for Windows PCs that would let you control your phone from your PC. It would show the phone's screen on your PC and you could interact with it using that software. I thought it was interesting.

    Nightfox

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Wed Jul 21 00:13:00 2021
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Monday 19.07.21 - 09:25, MRO wrote to Ogg:

    The %userprofile allows you to create an optional tagline, a
    signature, a real name, etc. This is akin to a minimum
    registration on a BBS.

    fuck that shit.
    i dont have time in my life for that horseshit.

    The minimum requirement for %userprofile is Real Name.

    The other parts, %LIST and %HELP are no different than what any
    sysop is used to.


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Nightfox on Wed Jul 21 06:59:00 2021
    Hello Nightfox!

    ** On Tuesday 20.07.21 - 19:52, Nightfox wrote to Tracker1:

    I had a Samsung phone not too long ago, and they had some
    software for Windows PCs that would let you control your
    phone from your PC. It would show the phone's screen on
    your PC and you could interact with it using that software.
    I thought it was interesting.

    I use my Blackberry that way. A desktop app allows me to
    interact with the phone's contents via cell or wifi.

    --- OpenXP 5.0.50
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Wed Jul 21 09:54:10 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Jul 21 2021 12:13 am

    Hello MRO!

    ** On Monday 19.07.21 - 09:25, MRO wrote to Ogg:

    The %userprofile allows you to create an optional tagline, a
    signature, a real name, etc. This is akin to a minimum
    registration on a BBS.

    fuck that shit.
    i dont have time in my life for that horseshit.

    The minimum requirement for %userprofile is Real Name.

    The other parts, %LIST and %HELP are no different than what any
    sysop is used to.

    or they could just moderate the channel instead of having people jump through hoops
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 21 10:32:51 2021
    Re: Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Tue Jul 20 2021 06:54 am

    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    If you like the Google Drive approach, Nextcloud would also work, pluss it has its own integrated password management solution via plugins.

    If I ever move back to a "real" ISP, the first thing I'll do is put a box on a UPS at my house and go back to self-hosting. I did that way back when on a server-friendly ISP and enjoyed running my own services.

    I could put it on a VPS, but the data would be (I think) unencrypted and in the cl
    - unless I'm mistaken. If there was a way to encrypt data at rest, I'd be all over
    that.


    ... Powered By Celeron (Tualatin). Engineered for the future.

    There is a way to encrypt data at rest on the fly. You may give Cryptomator a try.
    Tons of mentions in Linux Magazine about it :-)

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Wed Jul 21 19:19:00 2021
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Wednesday 21.07.21 - 09:54, MRO wrote to Ogg:

    The minimum requirement for %userprofile is Real Name.

    The other parts, %LIST and %HELP are no different than what
    any sysop is used to.

    or they could just moderate the channel instead of having
    people jump through hoops -+-

    It *is* moderated if it has to be. But to get started, all you
    have to do is start the @Fido2telebot and send it the %LIST
    command, and in a few seconds-to-minutes you will get all the
    groups/echos that are bridged to the FTN.

    The list will provide the links that you can click on to JOIN.
    You can start reading any of those groups (and their
    backhistory of messages) immediately.

    To post, some of the groups need you to establish %realname
    (primarily to conform to FTN requirements) some do not. But if
    all you want to do is read, you don't have to do anything else.

    Two steps: [1] %Fido2telebot, [2] %LIST. That's not much of a
    jump through a loop. ;)


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jul 25 13:32:00 2021
    Hello pF!

    ** On Monday 19.07.21 - 08:06, you wrote to me:

    Here's a shout-out to Keepass and Google Drive. I keep my
    keepass file in Google Drive and have my passwords on my
    phone *and* on my desktop and laptop.

    I'm still leery of putting my trust into an app like Keepass.

    Instead, I use a "formula" to create a password depending on
    the site/domain that I visit. That way, I can conjur up a pw
    at anytime from any other device.

    I don't even need to remember the PIN for my credit cards.
    Instead, I just remember a pattern/sequence.

    I use a plugin to add a "Connect via Putty" and "Connect
    Via WinSCP" right- click entry, so I for the systems I
    don't use a key with I can automatically connect without
    having to copy/paste creds.

    What plugin is that? I find that SyncTerm seems to "remember"
    the SSH creds and logins are automatic.


    --- OpenXP 5.0.50
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Sun Jul 25 21:34:34 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jul 25 2021 01:32 pm

    Hello pF!

    ** On Monday 19.07.21 - 08:06, you wrote to me:

    Here's a shout-out to Keepass and Google Drive. I keep my
    keepass file in Google Drive and have my passwords on my
    phone *and* on my desktop and laptop.

    I'm still leery of putting my trust into an app like Keepass.


    keepass keeps all your data with you.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ogg on Mon Jul 26 06:58:00 2021
    Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    What plugin is that? I find that SyncTerm seems to "remember"
    the SSH creds and logins are automatic.

    QuickConnect plugin for Keepass. I swear by it at work, I have a ton of systems that I'm converting over to public key that still use unique passwords.




    ... Abandon desire
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Arelor on Fri Sep 3 18:39:25 2021
    On 7/20/2021 1:45 AM, Arelor wrote:
    My condolences for downloading and installing Discord.

    Don't forget to send your RAM to the hospital so they can use a
    rape kit on it after Discord is finished with it.

    Every computer in my home has at least 32gb in it.

    Discord sitting at 287mb here, which is pretty high for what it is...
    Though I'm sitting with 40GB available, and about to drop in another
    64gb with a new video card when it gets in tomorrow.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com

    ---
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Sep 3 18:43:50 2021
    On 7/20/2021 6:54 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
    If you like the Google Drive approach, Nextcloud would also work, pluss
    it has its own integrated password management solution via plugins.

    If I ever move back to a "real" ISP, the first thing I'll do is put a box on a UPS at my house and go back to self-hosting. I did that way back when on a server-friendly ISP and enjoyed running my own services.

    I could put it on a VPS, but the data would be (I think) unencrypted and in the cloud - unless I'm mistaken. If there was a way to encrypt data at rest, I'd be all over that.
    If you self-host in the cloud, you can use an encrypted volume if you
    like, but given that volume can boot without a passphrase, it doesn't
    provide *that* much security. A few people will use FUSE mounts for the
    likes of S3 or similar, then encrypt that data... it'd be at rest across
    a different system than the server itself, which is slightly better.

    Getting my pihole and wireguard setup this weekend, at least that's the
    plan.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com

    ---
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Ogg on Fri Sep 3 18:56:02 2021
    On 7/20/2021 3:03 PM, Ogg wrote:
    http://t.me/aztracker1

    We connected. Good to meet you.

    You as well.

    https://t.me/bbsiochat
    but the group is really dead...

    I dropped by. It seems to be primarily a ProBoard group, since
    it's being run by the owner of ProBoard?

    I set it up.. the ProBoard owner is just in there. :-) .. my messages in
    the group show up as bbsiochat, which is kind of annoying.

    If anyone has other groups to share that they like.

    I'm linked up with ProgrammerJokes and one of the RT news
    channels. I don't think I would even want more at this point.

    https://t.me/rtintl
    https://t.me/programmerjokes

    The vast majority of my other links are the Fido2Telegram
    groups (via @Fido2Telebot) which are linked to the echos with
    Fidonet.

    I'm going to have to followup, apparently my phone number is banned
    (google voice number), so emailed telegram to see if they can unban or
    convert me to my carrier number... *sigh* I don't like using the
    carrier number as I've never memorized it and switched carriers without porting my number a couple times now.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com

    ---
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Fri Sep 3 18:58:59 2021
    On 7/20/2021 7:52 PM, Nightfox wrote:
    Windows 11 has that too (works with Android, dunno about iOS). Of
    course, I've been using Google Voice, since it was Grand Central
    before Google bought them, so using my phone and desktop is pretty
    much been it... though I've also experienced every pain of Google's
    schizophrenic approach to chat applications.

    That's cool. I heard Windows 11 is supposed to be able to run Android
    apps.

    Yeah, apparently the feature will be post-release (October 5th) though.
    I haven't seen/tried it on insiders though.

    I had a Samsung phone not too long ago, and they had some software for Windows PCs that would let you control your phone from your PC. It
    would show the phone's screen on your PC and you could interact with
    it using that software. I thought it was interesting.

    Some Samsung (and other) phones actually have a hub/desktop mode where
    you can use a usb3 dock and get a desktop experience, that seems kind of
    cool too. Hadn't seen the mirroring.

    The win11 integration, I haven't used much and it's a little annoying to me.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Sat Sep 4 06:03:54 2021
    Re: Re: Telegram chat(s)
    By: Tracker1 to Ogg on Fri Sep 03 2021 06:56 pm

    I dropped by. It seems to be primarily a ProBoard group, since
    it's being run by the owner of ProBoard?

    I set it up.. the ProBoard owner is just in there. :-) .. my messages in
    the group show up as bbsiochat, which is kind of annoying.

    you mean the guy who claims to be the owner but has the leaked source, right? he's so full of shit his eyes are brown.
    he's been busted multiple times.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to all on Sat Sep 4 07:09:41 2021
    Re: Re: Telegram chat(s)
    By: MRO to Tracker1 on Sat Sep 04 2021 06:03 am

    Re: Re: Telegram chat(s)
    By: Tracker1 to Ogg on Fri Sep 03 2021 06:56 pm

    I dropped by. It seems to be primarily a ProBoard group, since
    it's being run by the owner of ProBoard?

    I set it up.. the ProBoard owner is just in there. :-) .. my messages in the group show up as bbsiochat, which is kind of annoying.

    you mean the guy who claims to be the owner but has the leaked source, right? he's so full of shit his eyes are brown.
    he's been busted multiple times.

    man this dude is mentally ill.

    https://youtu.be/yfFjzvCdH90?t=10823
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Sat Sep 4 13:37:10 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Fri Sep 03 2021 06:58 pm

    That's cool. I heard Windows 11 is supposed to be able to run Android
    apps.

    Yeah, apparently the feature will be post-release (October 5th) though.
    I haven't seen/tried it on insiders though.

    I've seen Android emulators for Windows that let you run Android apps on Windows. So it's something that's out there already. It seems Microsoft wants it included with Windows.. I wonder if it will be more of a seamless feature being integrated into Windows.

    Some Samsung (and other) phones actually have a hub/desktop mode where you can use a usb3 dock and get a desktop experience, that seems kind of cool too. Hadn't seen the mirroring.

    I had a Samsung S20 phone that did that, or at least something like that. I thought it was cool. It didn't need a dock - I could plug my phone into my PC with a USB3 cable, and the Samsung software would let me basically see my phone screen on my PC and interact with it from my PC that way.

    Nightfox

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Tracker1 on Sat Sep 4 20:39:00 2021
    Hello Tracker1!

    ** On Friday 03.09.21 - 18:56, Tracker1 wrote to Ogg:

    https://t.me/bbsiochat
    but the group is really dead...

    I dropped by. It seems to be primarily a ProBoard group,
    since it's being run by the owner of ProBoard?

    I set it up.. the ProBoard owner is just in there. :-) ..
    my messages in the group show up as bbsiochat, which is
    kind of annoying.

    I don't see any messages posted by "bbsiochat" in there. There
    is an occassional post from someone using the id "Group"
    though. Is that you?


    The vast majority of my other links are the Fido2Telegram
    groups (via @Fido2Telebot) which are linked to the echos
    with Fidonet.

    I'm going to have to followup, apparently my phone number
    is banned (google voice number), so emailed telegram to see
    if they can unban or convert me to my carrier number...
    *sigh* I don't like using the carrier number as I've never
    memorized it and switched carriers without porting my
    number a couple times now.

    You don't have to change numbers. Why not continue your account
    as @azTracker1 ?

    In any case, the folks at Telegram are very helpful if you run
    into a ban situation and explain the circumstances. My number
    was banned at one point. My number is a standard number with my
    cellphone. By then, I had already installed Telegram on 3
    devices. I just wanted one more device. But as soon as I went
    to register/activate the installation, I got a "number is
    banned" message. :( But an email to Telegram Support sorted
    it all out within 12 hours.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Tracker1 on Sun Sep 5 08:26:18 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Tracker1 to Arelor on Fri Sep 03 2021 06:39 pm

    On 7/20/2021 1:45 AM, Arelor wrote:
    My condolences for downloading and installing Discord.

    Don't forget to send your RAM to the hospital so they can use a
    rape kit on it after Discord is finished with it.

    Every computer in my home has at least 32gb in it.

    Discord sitting at 287mb here, which is pretty high for what it is...
    Though I'm sitting with 40GB available, and about to drop in another
    64gb with a new video card when it gets in tomorrow.

    Heh, you are necroing an old thread.

    Besides, it is awesome that the weakest of your computers has more RAM that every computer in my house combined, including smartphones. However, some of us have a tight budget and make do with scrapyard computers, and 250+mb is somethig you DO notice when the rest of what you are doing in the same computer takes less than 400 mb combined.And you notice it more when you are using computers with 1 or 2 Gb of RAM.

    My most powerful computer is from 2007, and it was obsoleted already.

    There is a lot of talk of being socially inclusive and whatnot in the IT industry, but something I often hear is:

    "We should deprecate this technology because nobody is using it"

    or

    "Let's make this thing a requirenment, everybody already has it, after all"

    The irony is that they end up deprecating technology because they don't use it anymore despite the fact there are lange numbers of people in less wealthy countries depending on the now deprecated technology. They don't care if somebody from Africa's screwed up because their lame software now requires more RAM than the whole village can afford.

    Also, Linux distributions were deprecating CD releases in favor of DVD releases "because nobody uses CDs anymore" despite the fact CD production was ON THE RISE WORLDWIDE because lots of poor countries prefer CDs over DVDs due to price.

    So it seems to me the IT industry is inclusive until the time comes to include people with no money or resources. Those we can screw up.

    So yes, it is awesome that you can afford to have 32 Gb of RAM on your weakest computer. But that is not an argument to make to a guy whose pro-computer fleet has no computer with more than 2.



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Tracker1 on Sun Sep 5 08:29:35 2021
    Re: Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Tracker1 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Sep 03 2021 06:43 pm

    On 7/20/2021 6:54 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
    If you like the Google Drive approach, Nextcloud would also work, pluss >> it has its own integrated password management solution via plugins.

    If I ever move back to a "real" ISP, the first thing I'll do is put a box a UPS at my house and go back to self-hosting. I did that way back when on server-friendly ISP and enjoyed running my own services.

    I could put it on a VPS, but the data would be (I think) unencrypted and i the cloud - unless I'm mistaken. If there was a way to encrypt data at res I'd be all over that.
    If you self-host in the cloud, you can use an encrypted volume if you
    like, but given that volume can boot without a passphrase, it doesn't provide *that* much security. A few people will use FUSE mounts for the likes of S3 or similar, then encrypt that data... it'd be at rest across
    a different system than the server itself, which is slightly better.

    Getting my pihole and wireguard setup this weekend, at least that's the plan.

    A good way to store data safely in a Virtual Private Server is a FUSE encryption layer such as Cryptomator. I am not a big fan of Cryptomator but the concept is neat. Your file synchronization tool only sees encrypted files, and your VPS only sees encrypted files. However, in your own computer you work with unencrypted files in a transparent manner.

    Much better than using a Veracrypt volume or similar solution, for file sync tools at least.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Sun Sep 5 23:23:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Sunday 05.09.21 - 08:26, Arelor wrote to Tracker1:

    On 7/20/2021 1:45 AM, Arelor wrote:
    My condolences for downloading and installing Discord.

    [...]

    Heh, you are necroing an old thread.

    A message from July doesn't seem so bad. It's summertime and
    people get occupied with things.

    At what point in time is replying to a message considered a
    necro event? And why does it seem to have a negative
    connotation?

    Heck, I have marked messages (intended for a reply) that are
    dated much older than the one that you mention. :/


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Mon Sep 6 06:23:56 2021
    Re: Heh, you are necroing an old thread
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Sun Sep 05 2021 11:23 pm

    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Sunday 05.09.21 - 08:26, Arelor wrote to Tracker1:

    On 7/20/2021 1:45 AM, Arelor wrote:
    My condolences for downloading and installing Discord.

    [...]

    Heh, you are necroing an old thread.

    A message from July doesn't seem so bad. It's summertime and
    people get occupied with things.

    At what point in time is replying to a message considered a
    necro event? And why does it seem to have a negative
    connotation?

    Heck, I have marked messages (intended for a reply) that are
    dated much older than the one that you mention. :/

    I have nothing against Necromancers. They give out a lot of XP when you defeat them.

    There is no hard rule for defining what is necro and what is not. I think something is necro when it happens long after interest on the thread has waned.

    I think nobody even remembered the Discord discussion, which for me scores as necro. I bet Tracker1 lives in a dark tower of power and spends his time reading black tomes while listening to The Spell and raising dead threads from the grave.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Mon Sep 6 09:12:37 2021
    Re: Heh, you are necroing an old thread
    By: Arelor to Ogg on Mon Sep 06 2021 06:23 am


    Heck, I have marked messages (intended for a reply) that are
    dated much older than the one that you mention. :/

    I have nothing against Necromancers. They give out a lot of XP when you defeat them.

    There is no hard rule for defining what is necro and what is not. I think


    tracker is different in that he is just gone for long stretches. he's not a new guy who just didnt update his msg pointers.

    so i'm not sure how to complain about him.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Mon Sep 6 13:25:43 2021
    Re: Re: Telegram chat(s)
    By: MRO to all on Sat Sep 04 2021 07:09 am

    man this dude is mentally ill.

    https://youtu.be/yfFjzvCdH90?t=10823

    I want to run *his* software for my BBS!
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Mon Sep 6 15:36:16 2021
    Re: Re: Telegram chat(s)
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Mon Sep 06 2021 01:25 pm

    Re: Re: Telegram chat(s)
    By: MRO to all on Sat Sep 04 2021 07:09 am

    man this dude is mentally ill.

    https://youtu.be/yfFjzvCdH90?t=10823

    I want to run *his* software for my BBS!
    --
    digital man

    i made the mistake of letting this run when i was cleaning my pet's cages and my fishtank.

    he started getting really bad talking about this 18 year old woman he knocked up at 30, then showing his kid's pics and going on these rants about crazy shit. saying it's not his fault he can't keep a job or take care of his kids.

    he said baby momma's last name was sanford. i wonder if that was eli's sister. it's hard to make it out.

    i was like god damn dude. you should be on a government watch list.
    he wasn't that bad before, he must be using crystal meth or huffing.

    atleast he took down the confederate flag off the wall.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Mon Sep 6 16:19:49 2021
    Re: Heh, you are necroing an old thread
    By: MRO to Arelor on Mon Sep 06 2021 09:12 am

    Re: Heh, you are necroing an old thread
    By: Arelor to Ogg on Mon Sep 06 2021 06:23 am


    Heck, I have marked messages (intended for a reply) that are
    dated much older than the one that you mention. :/

    I have nothing against Necromancers. They give out a lot of XP when you defeat them.

    There is no hard rule for defining what is necro and what is not. I think


    tracker is different in that he is just gone for long stretches. he's not a new guy who just didnt update his msg pointers.

    so i'm not sure how to complain about him.

    Hire a group of adventures (a fighter, a wizard, a rogue and a cleric are the standard) to sneak into his necromantic tower and steal the Hand of Vecna from his treasure chamber. That should be a good enough complaint for a Necromancer :-)

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Tue Sep 21 16:30:54 2021
    On 9/4/2021 1:37 PM, Nightfox wrote:
    Yeah, apparently the feature will be post-release (October 5th)
    though. I haven't seen/tried it on insiders though.

    I've seen Android emulators for Windows that let you run Android apps
    on Windows. So it's something that's out there already. It seems
    Microsoft wants it included with Windows.. I wonder if it will be
    more of a seamless feature being integrated into Windows.

    Should be... rumor is it'll use Amazon's store instead of Google Play,
    so very mixed bag, and no wonder it slipped.


    Some Samsung (and other) phones actually have a hub/desktop mode
    where you can use a usb3 dock and get a desktop experience, that
    seems kind of cool too. Hadn't seen the mirroring.

    I had a Samsung S20 phone that did that, or at least something like
    that. I thought it was cool. It didn't need a dock - I could plug
    my phone into my PC with a USB3 cable, and the Samsung software would
    let me basically see my phone screen on my PC and interact with it
    from my PC that way.

    That's kind of cool... what I'm talking about, no computer needed, the
    phone *is* the computer. There's a win10/11 software MS has that can do
    some stuff with my android phone... mostly use it to copy pictures off
    of it.

    Really wanting to switch back to Linux (PopOS), but also wanting to try
    some AI up-scaling for video, that's limited to Windows. May have to
    stick a second drive in again so I can dual-boot cleaner.
    --
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Ogg on Tue Sep 21 16:34:05 2021
    On 9/4/2021 5:39 PM, Ogg wrote:
    I set it up.. the ProBoard owner is just in there. :-) ..
    my messages in the group show up as bbsiochat, which is
    kind of annoying.

    I don't see any messages posted by "bbsiochat" in there. There
    is an occassional post from someone using the id "Group"
    though. Is that you?

    Probably... Not sure if/how I can change it tbh.

    You don't have to change numbers. Why not continue your account
    as @azTracker1 ?

    Was able to recover it... my "number is banned" is the message I was
    getting. Likely a filter that trapped all the service number blocks
    (twilio, google voice, etc).


    In any case, the folks at Telegram are very helpful if you run
    into a ban situation and explain the circumstances. My number
    was banned at one point. My number is a standard number with my
    cellphone. By then, I had already installed Telegram on 3
    devices. I just wanted one more device. But as soon as I went
    to register/activate the installation, I got a "number is
    banned" message. :( But an email to Telegram Support sorted
    it all out within 12 hours.

    Yeah, it was un-banned the next morning.
    --
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Arelor on Tue Sep 21 16:39:48 2021
    On 9/5/2021 6:26 AM, Arelor wrote:

    So yes, it is awesome that you can afford to have 32 Gb of RAM on
    your weakest computer. But that is not an argument to make to a
    guy whose pro-computer fleet has no computer with more than 2.

    I wasn't trying to be offensive... only mentioning that 16+ has been
    widely available for a while, at least in the US. I'm often very
    surprised when I see something with less than 8gb.

    There's definitely some hard press to try to get something running that
    low on resources with a modern desktop. There was some options in
    Windows XP that let you use a fast USB or other drive as extension
    memory. Not sure if you can still do that in Windows or Linux.
    --
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Arelor on Tue Sep 21 16:43:03 2021
    On 9/6/2021 4:23 AM, Arelor wrote:
    I bet Tracker1 lives in a dark tower of power and spends his time
    reading black tomes while listening to The Spell and raising dead
    threads from the grave.

    More that I work too much, and at the end of the day don't really check
    on the BBS as often as I should... so weeks often go by between read
    cycles for me.

    After this week, I have two off, planning on spending at least half of
    it working on the BBS.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Wed Sep 22 08:42:37 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Tue Sep 21 2021 04:30 pm

    Really wanting to switch back to Linux (PopOS), but also wanting to try some AI up-scaling for video, that's limited to Windows. May have to stick a second drive in again so I can dual-boot cleaner.

    Is it Topaz Video Enhance AI by chance? I've been using that on and off since about April last year to do some video upscaling. I've considered switching to Linux for a long time but haven't due to software, and now Topaz Video Enhance AI is one reason why.

    Nightfox

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Wed Sep 22 13:15:25 2021
    Re: Re: Telegram chat(s)
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Mon Sep 06 2021 03:36 pm

    i made the mistake of letting this run when i was cleaning my pet's cages and my fishtank.

    he started getting really bad talking about this 18 year old woman he knocked up at 30, then showing his kid's pics and going on these rants about crazy shit. saying it's not his fault he can't keep a job or take care of his kids.

    he said baby momma's last name was sanford. i wonder if that was eli's sister. it's hard to make it out.

    i was like god damn dude. you should be on a government watch list.
    he wasn't that bad before, he must be using crystal meth or huffing.

    atleast he took down the confederate flag off the wall.

    Jesus fuck, that guy.

    https://www.freelancer.com/projects/c-programming/convert-the-source-code-probo ard/?ngsw-bypass=&w=f


    how the hell did he get the source to ProBoard? A few years ago Philippe mentioned he wanted to give away the source code on Twitter, and a year later he said there were some copyright issues.

    ProBoard was the first BBS software I ever seriously ran, because all the BBSes in this area used it. (Mr. Homie's Neighborhood, which moved down to Milwaukee was one of them).

    I eventually moved to Synchronet in the late 90s and didn't really look back.




    DaiTengu

    ... He was a man, all and all, I shall not look upon his like again.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Tracker1 on Wed Sep 22 15:30:55 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Tracker1 to Arelor on Tue Sep 21 2021 04:39 pm

    On 9/5/2021 6:26 AM, Arelor wrote:

    So yes, it is awesome that you can afford to have 32 Gb of RAM on
    your weakest computer. But that is not an argument to make to a
    guy whose pro-computer fleet has no computer with more than 2.

    I wasn't trying to be offensive... only mentioning that 16+ has been
    widely available for a while, at least in the US. I'm often very
    surprised when I see something with less than 8gb.

    There's definitely some hard press to try to get something running that
    low on resources with a modern desktop. There was some options in
    Windows XP that let you use a fast USB or other drive as extension
    memory. Not sure if you can still do that in Windows or Linux.

    You can pull it off with Linux for sure. Just swapon the external drive :-)

    I was testing some setup for deployment yesterday. I used a workstation of 2 GB of RAM and a
    processor so cingeworthy I am not going to ashame myself by giving its specs here.

    The thing can run Firefox, Thunderbird and Libreoffice at the same time. It swaps from time to time
    but you can certainly use it in a pitch. If you can write reports in Writer while notifying
    insurance companies of a case's status via a web portal, while you get mails and live updates
    regarding events and schedules via calendar addons, then I think it is safe to say the computer you
    do it all from is usable :-)

    I also tested OpenBSD. Putting the working environment together was a bit hackish but it also does
    well. I think it is a bit more responsive than Linux in some regards but their Thunderbird
    implementation is slower.

    I also tried Tiny Core Linux. That thing rocks. It is blazing fast and you don't realize you are
    using a stoneage computer. The drawback is the distribution is no suitable for firmwork because the
    repositories lack package signing and the process by which they accept package submissions is too
    free-for-all.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 03:37:56 2021
    Re: Re: Telegram chat(s)
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Wed Sep 22 2021 01:15 pm

    atleast he took down the confederate flag off the wall.

    Jesus fuck, that guy.

    https://www.freelancer.com/projects/c-programming/convert-the-source-code-pr obo ard/?ngsw-bypass=&w=f


    how the hell did he get the source to ProBoard? A few years ago Philippe mentioned he wanted to give away the source code on Twitter, and a year later he said there were some copyright issues.


    i think someone just posted it on the internet. he has paid people for it in the past, or so he says so he thinks he owns it. he said he paid clawson money for it and he got an asm dump. pcmike looked at the paperwork and the signatures were all computer generated. he would talk about it on irc and i'd go back in the logs and catch him lying so who knows what the truth is.

    he obviously has mental illness and probably drug problems.
    night now he says he needs gofundme money to fight his ex in court because he has fleas.

    philippe did say he wouldnt give it out because of copyright issues.
    clawson's estate could sue over it being distributed. according to his obituary he has heirs. https://obits.mlive.com/us/obituaries/flint/name/patrick-clawson-obituary?pid=176308972
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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Thu Sep 23 08:42:40 2021
    Re: Re: Telegram chat(s)
    By: MRO to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 2021 03:37 am


    philippe did say he wouldnt give it out because of copyright issues. clawson's estate could sue over it being distributed. according to his obituary he has heirs. https://obits.mlive.com/us/obituaries/flint/name/patrick-clawson-obituary? pid=176308972 ---

    I tried to find out what happened to Telegrafix and Clawson yesterday, I came across that Obituary but didn't think it was his, as there was no mention of running a company, or living in CA or VA (Where Telegrafix came from/moved to)

    DaiTengu

    ... I'm not broke, I'm just badly bent.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 11:43:26 2021
    Re: Re: Telegram chat(s)
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Thu Sep 23 2021 08:42 am

    Re: Re: Telegram chat(s)
    By: MRO to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 2021 03:37 am


    philippe did say he wouldnt give it out because of copyright issues. clawson's estate could sue over it being distributed. according to his obituary he has heirs. https://obits.mlive.com/us/obituaries/flint/name /patrick-clawson-obituary? pid=176308972 ---

    I tried to find out what happened to Telegrafix and Clawson yesterday, I came across that Obituary but didn't think it was his, as there was no mention of running a company, or living in CA or VA (Where Telegrafix came from/moved to)


    yeah that's him. or i'm pretty sure it is. that's the obit that was announced back when he died.
    the radio and reporting stuff is stuff clawson was involved in.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 11:20:40 2021
    Re: Re: Telegram chat(s)
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Wed Sep 22 2021 01:15 pm

    Re: Re: Telegram chat(s)
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Mon Sep 06 2021 03:36 pm

    i made the mistake of letting this run when i was cleaning my pet's cages and my fishtank.

    he started getting really bad talking about this 18 year old woman he knocked up at 30, then showing his kid's pics and going on these rants about crazy shit. saying it's not his fault he can't keep a job or take care of his kids.

    he said baby momma's last name was sanford. i wonder if that was eli's sister. it's hard to make it out.

    i was like god damn dude. you should be on a government watch list.
    he wasn't that bad before, he must be using crystal meth or huffing.

    atleast he took down the confederate flag off the wall.

    Jesus fuck, that guy.

    https://www.freelancer.com/projects/c-programming/convert-the-source-code-pr obo ard/?ngsw-bypass=&w=f


    how the hell did he get the source to ProBoard? A few years ago Philippe mentioned he wanted to give away the source code on Twitter, and a year later he said there were some copyright issues.

    "The dating system will need need a complete rewrite. Making it 4 year dating only." - he only wants to date for 4 years!

    Hey, that project is marked as "completed" - so its done, right?

    ProBoard was the first BBS software I ever seriously ran, because all the BBSes in this area used it. (Mr. Homie's Neighborhood, which moved down to Milwaukee was one of them).

    I don't think I've ever actually seen a ProBoard system. <shrug>

    I eventually moved to Synchronet in the late 90s and didn't really look back.

    :-)
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Thu Sep 23 11:25:30 2021
    Re: Re: Telegram chat(s)
    By: MRO to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 2021 03:37 am

    philippe did say he wouldnt give it out because of copyright issues. clawson's estate could sue over it being distributed.

    That does seem extremely unlikely.

    according to his
    obituary he has heirs. https://obits.mlive.com/us/obituaries/flint/name/patrick-clawson -obituary?pid=176308972

    I didn't know he passed away. Thanks.
    --
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 11:26:37 2021
    Re: Re: Telegram chat(s)
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Thu Sep 23 2021 08:42 am

    Re: Re: Telegram chat(s)
    By: MRO to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 2021 03:37 am


    philippe did say he wouldnt give it out because of copyright issues. clawson's estate could sue over it being distributed. according to his obituary he has heirs. https://obits.mlive.com/us/obituaries/flint/name /patrick-clawson-obituary? pid=176308972 ---

    I tried to find out what happened to Telegrafix and Clawson yesterday, I came across that Obituary but didn't think it was his, as there was no mention of running a company, or living in CA or VA (Where Telegrafix came from/moved to)

    I remember when I talked to Pat on the phone once or twice he liked to brag about his experience at CNN and his accumulated awards. It sounds like the right guy to me.
    --
    digital man

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Thu Sep 23 07:15:00 2021
    Arelor wrote to Tracker1 <=-

    There's definitely some hard press to try to get something running that
    low on resources with a modern desktop. There was some options in
    Windows XP that let you use a fast USB or other drive as extension
    memory. Not sure if you can still do that in Windows or Linux.

    Yes, it's called ReadyBoost, it acts as a disk cache if memory serves.

    I was testing some setup for deployment yesterday. I used a workstation
    of 2 GB of RAM and a processor so cingeworthy I am not going to ashame myself by giving its specs here.

    I used a Thinkpad T42 for years with Lubuntu. 1.7Ghz single-core CPU, 2 GB
    of DDR RAM, 5400 RPM PATA drive, later updated to a PATA SSD. It did everything I could throw at it except for full-screen video. It was a little choppy.

    Best damn keyboard on a laptop, ever. Best industrial design on a laptop,
    IMO. The T4x series were a high-water mark for 4:3 laptops.






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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Thu Sep 23 13:59:46 2021
    Re: Re: Telegram chat(s)
    By: Digital Man to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 2021 11:20 am

    ProBoard was the first BBS software I ever seriously ran, because
    all the BBSes in this area used it. (Mr. Homie's Neighborhood, which
    moved down to Milwaukee was one of them).

    I don't think I've ever actually seen a ProBoard system. <shrug>

    I seem to remember there being a few ProBoard BBSes in my area in the 90s.

    I'd heard ProBoard started as a clone of QuickBBS. Similarly, RemoteAccess (which I had ran in the 90s) also was a clone of QuickBBS..

    Nightfox

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Thu Sep 23 15:40:16 2021
    On 9/22/2021 8:42 AM, Nightfox wrote:
    Really wanting to switch back to Linux (PopOS), but also wanting to
    try some AI up-scaling for video, that's limited to Windows. May have
    to stick a second drive in again so I can dual-boot cleaner.

    Is it Topaz Video Enhance AI by chance? I've been using that on and
    off since about April last year to do some video upscaling. I've
    considered switching to Linux for a long time but haven't due to
    software, and now Topaz Video Enhance AI is one reason why.

    That would be the one... been meaning to play with it, I have some DVDs
    that don't have HD versions that I'd been wanting to upscale, though
    dual boot should work for the future... also, not sure how much I'm
    willing to deal with the secure boot in windows, and if it will/won't
    work in Linux for me.

    How has it been working for you... now that I have a 3080, hoping it
    will chew through it relatively quickly.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Thu Sep 23 17:17:07 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Thu Sep 23 2021 03:40 pm

    Is it Topaz Video Enhance AI by chance? I've been using that on and

    That would be the one... been meaning to play with it, I have some DVDs that don't have HD versions that I'd been wanting to upscale, though
    dual boot should work for the future... also, not sure how much I'm willing to deal with the secure boot in windows, and if it will/won't work in Linux for me.

    How has it been working for you... now that I have a 3080, hoping it
    will chew through it relatively quickly.

    I have an RTX 3070 Super, and have been wanting to upgrade to a 3080.. I just don't want to pay more than necessary to a scalper for one..

    I've upscaled some DVD movies & TV shows to 4K (and occasionally to 1080). The source video resolution and aspect ratio seems to affect the upscaling time significantly. I was upscaling some TV shows from DVD (in 4:3 format) to 4K, and if I remember, about a 45-minute episode would take my PC about 8-12 hours to upscale to 4K with my 2070. Video with a widescreen resolution seems to take a bit longer.

    One thing I noticed is that no matter what output resolution you're upscaling to, it takes longer if the source image resolution is higher. Upscaling a DVD to 4K takes significantly less time than upscaling 1080p video to 4K.

    Also, the output format you choose and the AI model you use affect the upscaling time as well (the software includes several AI models you can use, and they also have different options you can tweak). For the output format, you can output to a MP4 video or output to PNG images which you'd then have to make into a video afterward (you could use ffmpeg for that). If you use PNG images, it will take longer and use more drive space, but theoretically it would offer better video quality. Also, if you have it output to MP4, I've found its MP4 files can be quite large, and you may want to compress them afterward (I'd sometimes use Handbrake for that).

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Thu Sep 23 22:03:46 2021
    Re: Re: Telegram chat(s)
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Thu Sep 23 2021 11:25 am

    according to his
    obituary he has heirs. https://obits.mlive.com/us/obituaries/flint/name/patrick-clawson -obituary?pid=176308972

    I didn't know he passed away. Thanks.

    he had the same middle name as this obit and his obituary was also posted in winchester,va so think this is the guy.

    someone posted it on facebook years ago.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Thu Sep 23 22:06:15 2021
    Re: Re: Telegram chat(s)
    By: Digital Man to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 2021 11:26 am

    mention of running a company, or living in CA or VA (Where Telegrafix came from/moved to)

    I remember when I talked to Pat on the phone once or twice he liked to brag about his experience at CNN and his accumulated awards. It sounds like the right guy to me.

    apparently he was loved by a lot of people which is in contrast to how he was to his customers. he was a real vicious person when dealing with the bbs community. people were very demanding back then, though.
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  • From Nelgin@VERT/EOTLBBS to knightbbs on Thu Sep 30 02:14:05 2021
    knightbbs wrote:
    nobody uses instant msging anymore.

    Shame actually. I got on the net in 1996 and ICQ and IRC were my main means of communication. I loved getting the oh-ow sounds when logging in, having people reach out to me and exchanging messages.

    I used ICQ, AIM, Yahoo Messenger, MSN Messenger...I still remember my ICQ number, and it's only 7 digits :)

    I'm pretty bummed YIM shut down, that was a decent messenger. In the end I
    used some multi-messenger program, I forgot which, but then people started moving away and using FB and snapchat and stuff. I don't have a snap, or a tictok...well, I do because I had to post something for a contest, but other than that I never use them.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nelgin on Thu Sep 30 08:38:02 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Nelgin to knightbbs on Thu Sep 30 2021 02:14 am

    knightbbs wrote:
    nobody uses instant msging anymore.

    Shame actually. I got on the net in 1996 and ICQ and IRC were my main means of communication. I loved getting the oh-ow sounds when logging in, having people reach out to me and exchanging messages.

    I used ICQ, AIM, Yahoo Messenger, MSN Messenger...I still remember my ICQ

    did you purposely not quote the date so i couldnt call you a necroposter
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nelgin on Thu Sep 30 07:20:00 2021
    Nelgin wrote to knightbbs <=-

    I'm pretty bummed YIM shut down, that was a decent messenger. In the
    end I used some multi-messenger program, I forgot which, but then
    people started moving away and using FB and snapchat and stuff.

    There was a golden age where GAIM (and it's later incarnation, Pidgin) were
    a part of work and play. I had a security chat on SILC, some friends on
    Yahoo, work used AIM (with a proxy so we could connect when the net was
    down), I had a Jabber server running, and other friends elsewhere. Skype
    even worked, if only for chat. I'd even had it plugged into Synchro.net's
    IRC network.



    ... Observe the procedures of a general alert.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Nelgin on Thu Sep 30 08:54:55 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Nelgin to knightbbs on Thu Sep 30 2021 02:14 am

    I used ICQ, AIM, Yahoo Messenger, MSN Messenger...I still remember my ICQ number, and it's only 7 digits :)

    I used to use ICQ too, and I remember mine as well.

    I'm pretty bummed YIM shut down, that was a decent messenger. In the end I used some multi-messenger program, I forgot which, but then people started moving away and using FB and snapchat and stuff. I don't have a snap, or a tictok...well, I do because I had to post something for a contest, but other than that I never use them.

    I'm bummed that pretty much all the major messenger services have shut down (I think ICQ still works, but it's not the same as it used to be). And I don't think Facebook Messenger, Snapchat, etc. are quite the same.

    Years ago, Microsoft merged MSN Messenger into Skype, and then all my MSN Messenger contacts disappeared (they didn't get migrated to my Skype contact list). I was bummed about that.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Sep 30 11:09:02 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nelgin on Thu Sep 30 2021 07:20 am

    There was a golden age where GAIM (and it's later incarnation, Pidgin) were a part of work and play. I had a security chat on SILC, some friends on Yahoo, work used AIM (with a proxy so we could connect when the net was down), I had a Jabber server running, and other friends elsewhere. Skype even worked, if only for chat. I'd even had it plugged into Synchro.net's IRC network.

    I liked those multi-chat clients, but I noticed sometimes they didn't seem to work well all the time with all the different chat protocols. I knew a couple people who used Pidgin & similar, and sometimes it seemed their chat app would report me online when I wasn't or vice-versa. Or sometimes I'd try to send them a file from my chat client and they couldn't receive it, etc..

    Nightfox

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Thu Sep 30 14:39:22 2021
    Re: Re: Telegram chat(s)
    By: MRO to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 2021 03:37 am

    i think someone just posted it on the internet. he has paid people for it in the past, or so he says so he thinks he owns it. he said he paid clawson money for it and he got an asm dump. pcmike looked at the paperwork and the signatures were all computer generated. he would talk about it on irc and i'd go back in the logs and catch him lying so who knows what the truth is.


    Philippe got back to me.
    https://twitter.com/phley/status/1443039232700739589

    "Yes, it's legit, he "bought" the rights from Jeff Reeder, former employee of Telegrafix. Although I have my doubts about who actually had the rights to ProBoard after Pat died."

    So there we go. It's probably not worth persuing, although I do wonder how much that nutjob paid for it.

    I mean, he looks like he lives in a trailer park, so it can't be much...

    DaiTengu

    ... Don't drink and park; accidents cause people.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 30 22:01:49 2021
    Re: Re: Telegram chat(s)
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Thu Sep 30 2021 02:39 pm

    "Yes, it's legit, he "bought" the rights from Jeff Reeder, former employee of Telegrafix. Although I have my doubts about who actually had the rights to ProBoard after Pat died."


    oh i remember that twist. who knows if it was really him though.
    i dont believe anything slasher says. he's so full of it it's incredible.

    he cant buy the rights from someone that doesnt own the rights, anyways.

    I mean, he looks like he lives in a trailer park, so it can't be much...

    that's giving trailer parks a bad name.
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  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to DAITENGU on Fri Oct 1 19:31:00 2021
    On 9/30/2021 2:39 PM, DAITENGU wrote to :

    -

    I mean, he looks like he lives in a trailer park, so it can't be much...

    DaiTengu

    He did invest a good amount of money in proportion to his likely net worth. If it makes him
    happy, its better than buying heroin or oxycontin.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Fri Oct 1 06:12:00 2021
    Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    seem to work well all the time with all the different chat protocols.
    I knew a couple people who used Pidgin & similar, and sometimes it
    seemed their chat app would report me online when I wasn't or
    vice-versa. Or sometimes I'd try to send them a file from my chat
    client and they couldn't receive it, etc..


    It was nice to be able to use end-to-end encryption with pidgin-OTR - and
    this was 2007 or so!


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  • From Nelgin@VERT/EOTLBBS to MRO on Sun Oct 3 16:55:40 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: MRO to Nelgin on Thu Sep 30 2021 08:38:02

    did you purposely not quote the date so i couldnt call you a necroposter

    It only just showed up here so either something got something stuck and finally send it out, or someone dumped a lot of dupes that were so old I didn't have them any more so no idea.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nelgin on Sun Oct 3 21:36:18 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Nelgin to MRO on Sun Oct 03 2021 04:55 pm

    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: MRO to Nelgin on Thu Sep 30 2021 08:38:02

    did you purposely not quote the date so i couldnt call you a necroposter

    It only just showed up here so either something got something stuck and finally send it out, or someone dumped a lot of dupes that were so old I didn't have them any more so no idea.

    what kind of setup do you have there? synchronet isnt that hard and you shouldn't have that problem.
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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Fri Oct 15 08:45:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Monday 06.09.21 - 06:23, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    There is no hard rule for defining what is necro and what is not. I think something is necro when it happens long after interest on the thread has waned.

    For me, I mark messages that I consider worthy of a reply, but
    something to do later. Most of that time (ie, recently) that
    "later" turns out to me a few months. By then, the main topic
    could surely have wained or diminished in messaging activity,
    but it doesn't mean that a new resurfaced reply couldn't be of
    interested to watching eyes. Most people are just lurkers it
    seems, anyway.


    [...] I bet Tracker1 lives in a dark tower of power and spends his
    time reading black tomes while listening to The Spell and raising dead threads from the grave.

    LOL <g>

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Fri Oct 15 09:48:41 2021
    Re: Heh, you are necroing an old thread
    By: Arelor to Ogg on Mon Sep 06 2021 06:23 am

    There is no hard rule for defining what is necro and what is not. I think something is necro when it happens long after interest on the thread has waned.

    What I think is funny/odd is, if someone starts a new thread about the same topic, that's fine. But some people seem to get annoyed when someone responds to another thread about the same topic if it's a somewhat old thread. I guess we shouldn't assume the original poster is still interested (but maybe they are). But if people can start new threads, I don't see why it should be such a big deal to respond to other threads regarding the same topic.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Fri Oct 15 12:37:50 2021
    Re: Heh, you are necroing an old thread
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Fri Oct 15 2021 09:48 am

    What I think is funny/odd is, if someone starts a new thread about the same topic, that's fine. But some people seem to get annoyed when someone responds to another thread about the same topic if it's a somewhat old thread. I guess we shouldn't assume the original poster is still interested (but maybe they are). But if people can start new threads, I don't see why it should be such a big deal to respond to other threads regarding the same topic.


    i'm the guy that decides if reply is necroposting; that's all you need to know. ---
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