• Re: radio check

    From Cougar428@VERT to DARYL STOUT on Sat Feb 4 06:31:00 2023
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Cougar428 <=-
    Hi Daryl - thanks for your reply!

    while a CW QSO was going on in the background. During the conversation with other hams, he interrupted with "Hang on a minute"...then reached over, and starting sending CW to the other ham on the frequency. When
    he was done, he said "Sorry about that...I had to reply!!". I saw this with my own eyes!! We were amazed that he could multi-task like that.

    This person does sound amazing! I bet they loved the hobby!

    When I had to copy, I had to listen carefully to the one stream
    coming in or I would miss characters. This was also my primary job.
    There were many operators who concentrated on one signal at at time.

    Even though in the US, when the FCC dropped the Morse Code
    requirement (first dropping the 13 and 20 WPM CW exam on April 15, 2000...then doing away with the 5 WPM CW exam on Feb. 23, 2007), it has caused a surge in folks wanting to learn and use CW. They were now
    doing it because they WANTED to, and NOT because they HAD to.

    Again, these people are part of the group who love the hobbby. I
    listen in on the bands, and there are alot of great conversations
    about the hobby or equipment in general. Seems that most of them
    are doing because they are really interested in it. I still love to
    listen, but don't think I would have the patience for all the
    equipment.

    over the air. The four letters they highlighted formed the S expletive
    (So Happy It's Thursday <G>). I thought "I'll be d@mned!!"...but when
    you looked at the dot and dash pattern, it made perfect sense!!

    Yeah, nine dits and a dah in order of course. In the service, I
    mostly copied groups of characters, but would occasionally capture a
    word (which really made me sit up). I would copy, others would
    interpret.

    STERNLY ADMONISHED them, saying "You boys need to watch your language!!
    I teach CW at the Naval Academy across the street!!", and walked out!!

    When I trained, none of the instructors were female. They would get
    you started, but the training was a tape turned on and transmitted
    to all the earphones at each intercept station. Testing was
    individual and not as a group.

    Now, there are programs where you can send and receive CW at your computer, without even having a rig or a keyer to do it with.

    Yeah, once I got out of the service - I found there wasn't much call
    for commercial operators unless it was in the maritime industry.
    Seems crazy I learned all that stuff and outside of the services
    there wasn't any call for it.

    On another note, I never took a typing course in high school. But,
    by being a BBS Sysop since December, 1990, I became a touch typist. The SPCK (Society For The Prevention Of Cruelty To Keyboards) has me on
    their 10 most wanted list...for typing the letters off the keys on the keyboard, from hitting the keys so hard!! <G>

    I learned touch typing as a part of the MOS training. Crazy thing
    about the services. They spent all that time training me to copy
    morse and had me specialize in Chinese cut characters only to send
    me to Europe where I didn't copy any Chinese. Crazy when you think
    about it. Crazy my fingers can still hit the keys when I hear the
    code too.

    Thanks Daryl!

    Cougar

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  • From Cougar428@VERT to DARYL STOUT on Sat Feb 4 07:02:00 2023
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Cougar428 <=-

    I also think back to the episode on "The Tonight Show With Jay Leno"
    on May 13, 2005. Ken Miller and Chip Margelli, were dressed up as two railroad telegraph operators, and they went up against Ben Cook, and
    his friend Jason (Ben was the world's fastest text messager (SMS),
    typing a 160 character message in 57 seconds).

    Now you got me interested, I'm going to have to see if I can find
    that episode somewhere and watch it!

    Cougar


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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Daryl Stout on Sat Feb 4 17:12:55 2023
    Re: Re: radio check
    By: Daryl Stout to Cougar428 on Thu Feb 02 2023 05:03 pm

    I also think back to the episode on "The Tonight Show With Jay Leno"
    on May 13, 2005. Ken Miller and Chip Margelli, were dressed up as two railroad telegraph operators, and they went up against Ben Cook, and
    his friend Jason (Ben was the world's fastest text messager (SMS),
    typing a 160 character message in 57 seconds).

    Chip was the sender of the CW at 29-30 WPM, and Ken was the receiver;
    and CW was DONE before the text messagers entered the last 2 words!!
    The phrase: "I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance!!". <G>


    the Long Island CW club has that video linked on their website. Underneath they mentioned there were a few errors :D

    DaiTengu

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Cougar428 on Mon Feb 6 10:21:00 2023
    Now you got me interested, I'm going to have to see if I can find
    that episode somewhere and watch it!

    Since there are copyright issues involved, you may have a hard time
    finding it.

    The only thing I found on it was this 30 minute clip from it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRuRE-Bwk1U

    Here's the full story from the ARRL Website:

    CW OPS WHIP WHIPPERSNAPPER TEXT MESSENGERS ON NATIONAL TV

    It may have been Friday the Thirteenth, but it was a lucky day for Morse code--and particularly for veteran CW contest ops Chip Margelli, K7JA,
    and Ken Miller, K6CTW.

    During a May 13, 2005 appearance on NBC's The Tonight Show with Jay Leno,
    the pair was able to pass a message using good old fashioned Morse code
    more rapidly than a pair of teenaged text messengers equipped with modern cellphones.

    The victory, which replicated a similar challenge that took place
    recently in Australia, has provided immense encouragement to Amateur
    Radio's community of CW operators, who been ballyhooed the achievement
    all over the Internet. The text messaging team consisted of world text-messaging champ Ben Cook of Utah and his friend Jason. Miller
    said afterward in a reflector posting that "the CW team won fairly
    handily".

    "Ben was just getting ready to start entering the last two words when
    I was done," he said on the Elecraft reflector in response to various
    questions he's received following the TV appearance. "I already knew
    that 28-30 WPM would easily keep us in front of even the current world
    [text messaging] record holder, and also it is the fastest speed that
    I can make nice readable copy on paper with a 'stick' [pencil]."

    Miller said it was decided he'd be on the receiving end, because he
    wasn't distracted by the noise in the studio.

    Margelli recalls that he was sending at 29 WPM. "I believe the goods
    were suitably delivered," he told ARRL. "CW and old guys rule!"

    What the viewing public didn't know was that Margelli and Miller had,
    in Miller's words, "smoked 'em every time" during three pre-program
    rehearsals. Even so, during the real thing, when Miller raised his
    hand to signal he'd copied the CW message successfully, Jason's jaw
    dropped.

    None of the players had any idea of the text they'd be sending, Miller
    noted. The message? "I just saved a bunch of money on my car
    insurance."

    As with many Tonight Show bits, this one involved a member of the
    audience, a young woman named Jennifer who predicted -- incorrectly
    as it turned out -- that text messaging definitely would top
    170-year-old Morse code. She walked away with a gift of restaurant
    tickets anyway.

    Margelli says the CW team used Yaesu FT-817 transceivers -- one of his
    own, and another owned by Dan Dankert, N6PEQ. Backup units -- not
    needed -- were provided by HRO; Margelli's wife Janet, KL7MF, manages
    an HRO store. They ended up using 432.200 MHz as an operating frequency
    in order to avoid RFI from the plethora of TV equipment in the studio,
    and to avoid interfering with NBC's gear. They ran the little
    transceivers at their lowest power level and with the antennas
    disconnected -- although they were mounted on the back of each unit
    -- no problem given the close proximity involved. Margelli sent with
    a Bencher paddle.

    To add a little atmosphere to the affair, NBC producers attired Margelli
    and Miller to look like 19th-century-era Western Union or railroad Morse telegraphers. The costumes came complete with green visors, white shirts, sleeve garters, vests and bow ties. The teenaged SMSers wore T-shirts
    and jeans.

    Cook told Leno that he'd managed to send a 160-letter message to his
    friend using his cell phone's short message system (SMS) -- the formal
    term for text messaging -- in 57 seconds.

    A member of the Morse Telegraph Club and a QRP enthusiast, Miller said
    he'd been using CW for 38 years. Margelli told Leno he'd been using
    Morse "for 43 years in ham radio," a phrase Leno echoed. That was the
    only plug Amateur Radio got during the appearance on the show's "Dinner
    for 4" segment. Miller says that during rehearsal, the pair had come up
    with a few lines to promote ham radio and telegraphy, but they were cut
    during the final dress rehearsal, in the interest of making the segment
    fit its allotted time slot.

    During the Australian competition in April, a Morse team consisting of 93-year-old former post office telegrapher Gordon Hill -- the sender --
    and 82-year-old Jack Gibson -- the receiver -- topped 13-year-old SMSer Brittany Devlin. In that event, Hill spelled out the message in full,
    while Devlin used text-messaging shorthand. In that competition, held
    at the Powerhouse Museum in Sydney, Hill took 90 seconds to send the
    message, 18 seconds faster than Devlin's message took to reach her
    friend's cell phone.

    Miller encouraged all who enjoyed the CW-vs-text messaging segment on
    NBC to contact The Tonight Show, to let the producers know about it --
    with an eye toward having the network schedule a more elaborate segment
    "next time."

    "Thanks for the kind comments from all," Miller concluded, advising
    "let's keep on having fun!--It is a hobby after all."

    Commented Margelli to ARRL: "I completely agree with my fantastic
    teammate, Ken Miller. It was a lot of fun, just like ham radio, and
    the show also delivered an important, if subtle, message about the
    benefits of the 'basic' communication infrastructure that Amateur
    Radio provides."

    **

    Daryl, WX4QZ

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Cougar428 on Mon Feb 6 10:58:00 2023
    This person does sound amazing! I bet they loved the hobby!

    He does. I don't remember who he is, but it was neat being around him,
    and he had been licensed for years.

    Again, these people are part of the group who love the hobbby. I
    listen in on the bands, and there are alot of great conversations
    about the hobby or equipment in general. Seems that most of them
    are doing because they are really interested in it. I still love to listen, but don't think I would have the patience for all the
    equipment.

    I operate "internet only", much to the angst of the "purists". But,
    with being a heart patient (congestive heart failure), and on a fixed
    income (disability), I can't afford all the extra gear and accessores.
    Plus, electronics, etc., was never my forte'.

    When I trained, none of the instructors were female. They would get
    you started, but the training was a tape turned on and transmitted
    to all the earphones at each intercept station. Testing was
    individual and not as a group.

    When the examiner teams did the Morse Code testing, it was from a
    recording. I didn't get licensed until the US FCC dropped the Morse
    Code requirement.

    I learned touch typing as a part of the MOS training. Crazy thing
    about the services. They spent all that time training me to copy
    morse and had me specialize in Chinese cut characters only to send
    me to Europe where I didn't copy any Chinese. Crazy when you think
    about it. Crazy my fingers can still hit the keys when I hear the
    code too.

    I rarely look at the keyboard when I'm typing.

    Thanks Daryl!

    You're welcome.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to DaiTengu on Mon Feb 6 10:58:00 2023
    the Long Island CW club has that video linked on their website.
    Underneath they mentioned there were a few errors :D

    The look on Jason's face when Ken (receiving the CW) raised his
    hand, was priceless!!

    Daryl, WX4QZ

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Daryl Stout on Mon Feb 6 17:16:10 2023
    Re: Re: radio check
    By: Daryl Stout to DaiTengu on Mon Feb 06 2023 10:58 am

    the Long Island CW club has that video linked on their website.
    Underneath they mentioned there were a few errors :D

    The look on Jason's face when Ken (receiving the CW) raised his
    hand, was priceless!!

    I just went back and re-watched it. I'd be willing to bet if they did it today, text would be done in a fraction of the time. They were using the old 12-button flip phone in that video.

    DaiTengu

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  • From Cougar428@VERT to DARYL STOUT on Tue Feb 7 22:22:00 2023
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Cougar428 <=-

    Now you got me interested, I'm going to have to see if I can find
    that episode somewhere and watch it!

    Since there are copyright issues involved, you may have a hard time finding it.

    Here's the full story from the ARRL Website:

    Thanks Daryl! I found it on the ARRL website, they had the snipped
    of the send and recieve and the CW ops winning. It was entertaining!

    During the Australian competition in April, a Morse team consisting of 93-year-old former post office telegrapher Gordon Hill -- the sender
    -- and 82-year-old Jack Gibson -- the receiver -- topped 13-year-old
    SMSer Brittany Devlin. In that event, Hill spelled out the message in full, while Devlin used text-messaging shorthand. In that competition, held at the Powerhouse Museum in Sydney, Hill took 90 seconds to send
    the message, 18 seconds faster than Devlin's message took to reach her friend's cell phone.

    That one sounds interesting also, I'll have to see if I can find it.
    Thanks for the entertainment...

    Cougar

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  • From Cougar428@VERT to DARYL STOUT on Tue Feb 7 22:28:00 2023
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Cougar428 <=-

    I operate "internet only", much to the angst of the "purists". But,
    with being a heart patient (congestive heart failure), and on a fixed income (disability), I can't afford all the extra gear and accessores. Plus, electronics, etc., was never my forte'.

    I have had 'paricarditis' twice now. Felt like I was having
    congestive heart failure. First time I was in the hospital for 3
    days, second time for a week. The doctors were unable to tell me
    what happened. They said it was most likely a virus.

    So hopefully you are taking it easy now. I still have problems as I
    get older due to the scarring the infection caused. I don't think I
    could say I know how you feel though. I think the issue will cause
    my life to be shorter, but you can't dwell on things. Gotta live in
    the here and now.

    Best regards (and health to you) Daryl.

    Cougar

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Cougar428 on Fri Feb 10 08:45:00 2023
    I have had 'paricarditis' twice now. Felt like I was having
    congestive heart failure. First time I was in the hospital for 3
    days, second time for a week. The doctors were unable to tell me
    what happened. They said it was most likely a virus.

    I'm on Lasix, which wasn't my pee-rogative (pun intended), but I've
    known folks who've had CHF for years.

    So hopefully you are taking it easy now. I still have problems as I
    get older due to the scarring the infection caused. I don't think I
    could say I know how you feel though. I think the issue will cause
    my life to be shorter, but you can't dwell on things. Gotta live in
    the here and now.

    None of us is getting any younger. My late father, for years, said he
    was 19, and I believed him!! When I passed him, "I smelled a rat"...and
    my late wife said "There's something rotten in Denmark, and it isn't the codfish!!". So, the joke got to be "You're 19, and your son is 42?? There
    must be something in the water!!". <G>

    Best regards (and health to you) Daryl.

    Thanks. Getting old isn't for sissies...and if you call me a sissy,
    I'll hit you with my purse. <G>

    Daryl, WX4QZ

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Cougar428 on Fri Feb 10 08:57:00 2023
    Thanks Daryl! I found it on the ARRL website, they had the snipped
    of the send and recieve and the CW ops winning. It was entertaining!

    The grin on Ken Miller's Face when he got the message, followed by the
    jaw dropping of Jason, when he realized CW had won, was priceless. Then,
    Chip Margelli, "hammed it up" by blowing off his hot little CW hands. <G>

    That one sounds interesting also, I'll have to see if I can find it. Thanks for the entertainment...

    It has been nearly 16 years since the FCC dropped the Morse Code
    requirement for US Ham Radio License Exams...but from what I've seen,
    CW is as popular as ever. Folks are learning it because they WANT to,
    and NOT because they HAVE to.

    Daryl, WX4QZ

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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/FINALZON to Tim on Thu Mar 9 17:29:00 2023
    Tim wrote to All <=-

    Breaker' breaker'radio check. Anybody still doing cb radio chat?
    Skip and power amps? lol. Just checking in from Maryland. Just knock
    if you can hear me!! Whizardmagic Cave

    Haven't touched CB in a long time - that being said haven't talked on
    HAM in a long time either...



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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Jimmy Anderson on Sat Mar 11 03:59:00 2023
    Jimmy,

    Haven't touched CB in a long time - that being said haven't talked on
    HAM in a long time either...

    For one ham, CW stands for "chicken wings", as that's a dish he loves to
    eat (hi hi)...because HAM stands for "Have Another Meal", and you don't
    call us "Late For Dinner" (hi hi).

    It's a good thing that we don't have to have a minimum of on the air time anymore, never mind constant logging. I log only during my nets, which is
    the only time I'm on the air anymore. I rarely get a sked request, and it's rare I just "check into a net". With my net schedule, my "net weekend" is Wednesday and Thursday"...I do 2 nets on Friday, 2 nets on Saturday, 1 net
    on Sunday, 2 nets on Monday, and 1 on Tuesday.

    Daryl, WX4QZ

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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Jimmy Anderson on Tue Mar 14 10:24:04 2023
    Re: Re: radio check
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Tim on Thu Mar 09 2023 05:29 pm

    Haven't touched CB in a long time - that being said haven't talked on

    Nobody has :/... But me, maybe. Nobody ever responds to my "BREAKER ONE NINE"s.

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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/FINALZON to Daryl Stout on Fri Mar 24 20:01:00 2023
    Daryl Stout wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    Haven't touched CB in a long time - that being said haven't talked on
    HAM in a long time either...

    For one ham, CW stands for "chicken wings", as that's a dish he loves
    to eat (hi hi)...because HAM stands for "Have Another Meal", and you
    don't call us "Late For Dinner" (hi hi).

    :-)

    It's a good thing that we don't have to have a minimum of on the air time anymore, never mind constant logging. I log only during my nets, which is the only time I'm on the air anymore. I rarely get a sked request, and it's rare I just "check into a net". With my net schedule,
    my "net weekend" is Wednesday and Thursday"...I do 2 nets on Friday, 2 nets on Saturday, 1 net on Sunday, 2 nets on Monday, and 1 on Tuesday.

    Well I never set one up in the house - had to have a lot of work done on
    the house, and still haven't 'unpacked' stuff we had to box up, and I'm
    doing some of the 'finish work' myself, so...

    HAM just hasn't been a priority...



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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/FINALZON to Phigan on Fri Mar 24 20:01:00 2023
    Phigan wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    Re: Re: radio check
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Tim on Thu Mar 09 2023 05:29 pm

    Haven't touched CB in a long time - that being said haven't talked on

    Nobody has :/... But me, maybe. Nobody ever responds to my "BREAKER ONE NINE"s.

    Any truckers passing through that you hear?




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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Jimmy Anderson on Tue Mar 28 19:49:10 2023
    Re: Re: radio check
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Phigan on Fri Mar 24 2023 08:01 pm

    Any truckers passing through that you hear?

    None. And every time I see a trucker with CB antennas, I ask them about their radio.. they say they don't ever turn it on, if they even still have one hooked up.

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  • From Oldbieone@VERT/REALITY to Phigan on Wed Mar 29 12:43:41 2023
    Re: Re: radio check
    By: Phigan to Jimmy Anderson on Tue Mar 28 2023 07:49 pm

    None. And every time I see a trucker with CB antennas, I ask them about their radio.. they say they don't ever turn it on, if they even still have one hooked up.

    Plenty of truck traffic on CB in the NY metro area, all the way down to Philly. 6 and 9 tend to be chit chat channels, 19 for traffic alerts. No one puts calls out anymore except a few hardcore DX chasers though.
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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Phigan on Wed Mar 29 21:32:00 2023
    None. And every time I see a trucker with CB antennas, I ask them about their radio.. they say they don't ever turn it on, if they even still
    have one hooked up.

    I know a few hams who are OTR truck drivers...Jeff, KC0JC...Randy, K5NDX... Tom, VE9DS...are the three who come to mind. I've met Jeff and Randy in
    person.

    Daryl, WX4QZ

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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/FINALZON to Phigan on Fri May 5 19:20:00 2023
    Phigan wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    Re: Re: radio check
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Phigan on Fri Mar 24 2023 08:01 pm

    Any truckers passing through that you hear?

    None. And every time I see a trucker with CB antennas, I ask them about their radio.. they say they don't ever turn it on, if they even still
    have one hooked up.

    Didn't know that - glad I didn't take the time or money to install one. :-)





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