• Re: Media

    From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Mon Jul 2 13:42:33 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Sat Jun 30 2018 11:09 pm

    i have tinnitus, but that doesnt block out any sound. i just have the ringing/high pitch buzzing sound most of the time.

    Right, but that ringing in your ears masks sounds of the same frequency.
    i tried white noise mp3s for my tinnitus but they were more annoying to me than the sound.

    That's because the mp3s you were using did not match the frequency of your tinnitus (which can change from day to day or hour to hour). I use an app on my phone and you have to tune it to match your tinnitus and then the sound from the app completely disappears (to me), while everyone else around hears it loud and clear (if you're headphones are unplugged). It's pretty amazing.


    i used an app too and maybe i couldnt find the right frequency to match my tinnitus.

    i just live with it. i think part of is elevated blood pressure in that area. i know sometimes i was on my way to coming down with a bad cold and the tinitus would be super loud and annoying. i just keep busy to not focus on it.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 2 16:55:39 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Mon Jul 02 2018 11:19 am


    Google Tinnitus cures, and there's one that some people I know swear works - clasping your hands behind your head and thumping a nerve cluster with your fingers. I didn't notice much difference, my mother who had horrible tinnitus noticed a significant decrease.



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  • From Digital Man@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 2 16:15:48 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Mon Jul 02 2018 11:19 am

    Re: Re: Media
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Mon Jul 02 2018 08:16 am

    i tried white noise mp3s for my tinnitus but they were more annoying MR>> to me than the sound.

    Interesting (and no doubt annoying!).

    Google Tinnitus cures, and there's one that some people I know swear works - clasping your hands behind your head and thumping a nerve cluster with your fingers. I didn't notice much difference, my mother who had horrible tinnitus noticed a significant decrease.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajb37ie-Juo

    Didn't work for me.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Mon Jul 2 20:16:44 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 02 2018 04:15 pm

    works - clasping your hands behind your head and thumping a nerve cluster with your fingers. I didn't notice much difference, my mother who had horrible tinnitus noticed a significant decrease.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajb37ie-Juo

    Didn't work for me.


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  • From Mickey@VERT/CENTRALO to MRO on Mon Jul 2 21:23:00 2018
    On 07/02/18, MRO said the following...


    the only cure for tinnitus is death
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    You got that right ma man. Mine started a few years ago when a drummer I was working with decided to plug his own mic in the mixer. The channel he used
    was over-hot and I was standing next to a main. Ive had loud whistling in my head ever since. You sorta get used to it..... overtime.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/PHARCYDE to Hawkeye on Wed Jul 4 09:40:15 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: Hawkeye to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Jun 30 2018 03:23 pm

    I liked the white noise. Now I've got tinnitus, probably couldn't hear
    the PC running...

    Same here :(

    HAWKEYE

    I have that shit too. White noise helps me keep my sanity. I use recordings of showers and waterfalls to help with it.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/PHARCYDE to Jagossel on Fri Jul 13 09:40:42 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: Jagossel to MRO on Sun Jul 01 2018 08:55 am

    i tried white noise mp3s for my tinnitus but they were more annoying
    to me t the sound.

    I have an app for my Android device called "Chromadoze". I use it to drown

    I find Ambien works best for me! :-)

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Fri Jul 13 16:09:25 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: HusTler to Jagossel on Fri Jul 13 2018 09:40 am

    Re: Re: Media
    By: Jagossel to MRO on Sun Jul 01 2018 08:55 am

    i tried white noise mp3s for my tinnitus but they were more annoying
    to me t the sound.

    I have an app for my Android device called "Chromadoze". I use it to drown

    I find Ambien works best for me! :-)


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  • From Jazzy_J@VERT/JAYSCAFE to HusTler on Sat Jul 14 21:49:00 2018
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    Re: Re: Media
    By: Jagossel to MRO on Sun Jul 01 2018 08:55 am

    i tried white noise mp3s for my tinnitus but they were more annoying
    to me t the sound.

    I have an app for my Android device called "Chromadoze". I use it to drown

    I find Ambien works best for me! :-)

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jazzy_J on Sun Jul 15 09:17:23 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: Jazzy_J to HusTler on Sat Jul 14 2018 09:49 pm

    I find Ambien works best for me! :-)

    Two Benadryl, or should I say Benadry v 2.0

    when i take benadryl, the sedative effect only kicks in at early morning and i feel like shit the next day.
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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Vk3jed on Tue Jul 31 22:40:01 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: Vk3jed to Operations on Sat Jun 23 2018 08:24:00

    I got a 20MB (yep you read it right) hard drive for $200!
    Those were the days! :D

    Almost same feeling, buying 2x 120 MB HDDs for my BBS not 1200 but 1000, 200 discount (Dutch Guilders back in the time, about 500-600 EUR/USD). I was so happy for my users and me lol

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Vk3jed on Tue Jul 31 22:40:52 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sat Jun 23 2018 08:28:00

    I remember having to low-level format them and have the low-level

    remember the time it took to format low-level? ages.

    HAWKEYE

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Chai on Tue Jul 31 22:49:44 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: Chai to Nightfox on Tue Jun 26 2018 16:00:00

    If $300-$400 for an OS still seams reasonable to you, then by all means, give them that much money next time you buy an OS..
    I purchased Windows 95 for $85, full version (more typical of the US pricing).

    Some Windows Pro 10 licenses are 300 USD. Not the cheap key gen but original licenses. OEM is cheaper.

    I remember I paid approx. 200 USD for Windows 3.1, 250 for OS/2 2.1. Now Windows is very cheap. But in the 80s/90s it was 'normal' to buy for your OS. I remember some resellers told me 10-30% of your buyers price for a PC is the software. Nobody calculates that way anymore. They buy a 300 USD laptop and want Windows 10 Pro AND Office for that price.

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Chai on Tue Jul 31 22:52:35 2018
    Re: Digital Entitlements
    By: Chai to Nightfox on Wed Jun 27 2018 01:31:59

    With "most" versions of Windows 10, a hash of your CPU is kept on Microsoft's activation servers when you have an activated version of Windows

    Since some years you can also store your keys into you Microsoft account. So when you reinstall a machine it takes a free/not used key. You can also manage your machines online. Revoke license of an old laptop and give it to a new one.

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Nightfox on Tue Jul 31 22:55:39 2018
    Re: Digital Entitlements
    By: Nightfox to Chai on Wed Jun 27 2018 09:28:28

    I'm wondering what happens if you upgrade your CPU. Does your Windows license become invalidated and you need to buy a new copy of Windows, or does Microsoft allow re-use when your CPU is upgraded?

    Depends which kind of BIOS you have. Does you PC have an UEFI bios, don't worry, it's not only the CPU, it's stored into the UEFI bios. Also you can store/sync your keys with your Microsoft Account. You can then also restore/reuse it when you have a pc which doesnt hav UEFI or for some other reason has the bios on legacy mode.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hawkeye on Wed Aug 1 12:40:00 2018
    On 07-31-18 22:40, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I got a 20MB (yep you read it right) hard drive for $200!
    Those were the days! :D

    Almost same feeling, buying 2x 120 MB HDDs for my BBS not 1200 but
    1000, 200 discount (Dutch Guilders back in the time, about 500-600 EUR/USD). I was so happy for my users and me lol

    Yeah, those were the days in some ways, even though modern systems are light years ahead of (and a fraction of the price) the tech back then.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hawkeye on Wed Aug 1 12:41:00 2018
    On 07-31-18 22:40, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I remember having to low-level format them and have the low-level

    remember the time it took to format low-level? ages.

    Yeah, memories. :)


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Hawkeye on Fri Aug 3 16:09:28 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: Hawkeye to Vk3jed on Tue Jul 31 2018 10:40 pm

    I remember having to low-level format them and have the low-level

    remember the time it took to format low-level? ages.

    I remember how long SpinRite took to re-interleave a drive, to get a marginal speed increase out of slow hardware.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 3 17:13:26 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Hawkeye on Fri Aug 03 2018 04:09 pm

    remember the time it took to format low-level? ages.

    I remember how long SpinRite took to re-interleave a drive, to get a marginal speed increase out of slow hardware.

    I remember interleaving drives.. And also setting wait states on the RAM (which was a BIOS setting) so that you could use RAM that responded slower than the processor could access it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sat Aug 4 12:43:00 2018
    On 08-03-18 17:13, Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I remember how long SpinRite took to re-interleave a drive, to get a marginal speed increase out of slow hardware.

    I remember interleaving drives.. And also setting wait states on the
    RAM (which was a BIOS setting) so that you could use RAM that responded slower than the processor could access it.

    Interleaving, wait states, those were only the days. Played with all of those. :D


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Mon Aug 6 12:01:18 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 03 2018 05:13 pm

    I remember interleaving drives.. And also setting wait states on the RAM (which was a BIOS setting) so that you could use RAM that responded slower than the processor could access it.

    Marginal gains made a difference -- shadowing the BIOS in RAM, running memory optimizers like QEMM, tweaking wait states and tweaking drive interleaves.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Aug 7 16:17:00 2018
    On 08-06-18 12:01, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Marginal gains made a difference -- shadowing the BIOS in RAM, running memory optimizers like QEMM, tweaking wait states and tweaking drive interleaves.

    Yep, did all of those. :) Most of my systems had fast enough RAM to run 0 wait states. With QEMM, I used to get something like 704-716k conventional with all necessary drivers loaded. Trick was to use a CGA card, so the RAM immediately above 64k could also be used as conventional, leaving a total of 736k, before loading drivers.


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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Aug 7 14:58:38 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Mon Aug 06 2018 12:01:18

    Marginal gains made a difference -- shadowing the BIOS in RAM, running memory optimizers like QEMM, tweaking wait states and tweaking drive interleaves.

    back then the knowlegde of QEMM made me a magician compared to the regular ict consultants... I was able to let DOS applications run with LAN drivers loaded while others couldnt... BASE MEM gurus :)

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Vk3jed on Tue Aug 7 14:59:55 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Aug 07 2018 16:17:00

    with all necessary drivers loaded. Trick was to use a CGA card, so the RAM

    Lots of offices had monochroom displays in the 80s so I was able to use maximum excludes for the video memory gaining a lot for dos applications.

    HAWKEYE

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hawkeye on Wed Aug 8 07:48:00 2018
    On 08-07-18 14:59, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-

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    Re: Re: Media
    By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Aug 07 2018 16:17:00

    with all necessary drivers loaded. Trick was to use a CGA card, so the RAM

    Lots of offices had monochroom displays in the 80s so I was able to use maximum excludes for the video memory gaining a lot for dos
    applications.

    CGA gave you an extra 32k conventional over monochrome though, because of the higher starting address of CGA video RAM.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hawkeye on Wed Aug 8 08:12:00 2018
    On 08-07-18 14:58, Hawkeye wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    back then the knowlegde of QEMM made me a magician compared to the
    regular ict consultants... I was able to let DOS applications run with
    LAN drivers loaded while others couldnt... BASE MEM gurus :)

    Yep, knowing things like QEMM was definitely an advantage in those days. :)


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Thu Aug 9 11:58:55 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Aug 07 2018 04:17 pm

    Yep, did all of those. :) Most of my systems had fast enough RAM to run 0 wait states. With QEMM, I used to get something like 704-716k conventional with all necessary drivers loaded. Trick was to use a CGA card, so the RAM immediately above 64k could also be used as conventional, leaving a total of 736k, before loading drivers.

    I never did CGA or EGA - I ran old hercules mono graphics on a green screen monitor (the one true color) and waited until VGA came out.

    I called an Opus BBS and had the sysop break into chat, asking if I was color blind or had picked the color scheme by choice - apparently on his monitor it came out some bizarre hot-dog stand combination of yellow, green and red.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Aug 9 12:37:41 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Thu Aug 09 2018 11:58 am

    I never did CGA or EGA - I ran old hercules mono graphics on a green screen monitor (the one true color) and waited until VGA came out.

    I called an Opus BBS and had the sysop break into chat, asking if I was color blind or had picked the color scheme by choice - apparently on his monitor it came out some bizarre hot-dog stand combination of yellow, green and red.

    :)
    When I was growing up I remember my dad's PC originally having a hercules mono (with an amber screen), and I remember him upgrading to EGA and then VGA. Those were the days when each step had a noticeable improvement, and it seemed like a great upgrade. But now, we hvae long ago gone past the point where we can easily tell the difference in a new monitor/video card, or even CPU speed (unless we're doing something computationally heavy).

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 10 10:17:00 2018
    On 08-09-18 11:58, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I never did CGA or EGA - I ran old hercules mono graphics on a green screen monitor (the one true color) and waited until VGA came out.

    I had a Hercules card until it died, then installed CGA, and was still running CGA when I was maxing out QEMM. :)

    I called an Opus BBS and had the sysop break into chat, asking if I was color blind or had picked the color scheme by choice - apparently on
    his monitor it came out some bizarre hot-dog stand combination of
    yellow, green and red.

    LOL, the traps of running monochrome. :)


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  • From Chai@VERT/AMIGAC to Nightfox on Thu Aug 9 21:49:00 2018
    Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    When I was growing up I remember my dad's PC originally having a
    hercules mono (with an amber screen), and I remember him upgrading to
    EGA and then VGA. Those were the days when each step had a noticeable

    I went from mono, no graphics, to mono with hercules compatible, then directly to VGA. I remember in the days of mono, I went to a friends house and logged in to a BBS using his CGA monitor. I never saw such beauty. Keep in mind, I only had black and white TV at the time as well. Color screens were a luxury for me.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Thu Aug 9 18:11:00 2018
    I called an Opus BBS and had the sysop break into chat, asking if I was color >blind or had picked the color scheme by choice - apparently on his monitor it >came out some bizarre hot-dog stand combination of yellow, green and red.

    Thanks for the laugh. :)

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Fri Aug 10 09:44:24 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 10 2018 10:17 am

    I had a Hercules card until it died, then installed CGA, and was still running CGA when I was maxing out QEMM. :)

    From what I remember, I think Hercules had a higher resolution than CGA, although Hercules was monochrome.. I remember seeing some CGA screens back in the day, and although it had some color, I always thought it looked fairly blocky.

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  • From Jagossel@VERT/MTLGEEK to Nightfox on Fri Aug 10 16:22:38 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Fri Aug 10 2018 09:44:24

    I had a Hercules card until it died, then installed CGA, and was still running CGA when I was maxing out QEMM. :)

    From what I remember, I think Hercules had a higher resolution than CGA, although Hercules was monochrome.. I remember seeing some CGA screens back the day, and although it had some color, I always thought it looked fairly blocky.

    That was the impression that I got: Hercules had a higher resolution than CGA. It would make sense considering that monochrome would use far less memory than color, and it was possible to get more or sharper text with monochrome (depending on the monitor set up).

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sat Aug 11 07:48:00 2018
    On 08-10-18 09:44, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    From what I remember, I think Hercules had a higher resolution than
    CGA, although Hercules was monochrome.. I remember seeing some CGA screens back in the day, and although it had some color, I always
    thought it looked fairly blocky.

    Yep, that's correct. Herculese was great for things like disagrams and graphs, where the higher resolution meant finer details could be captured, and the lack of colour didn't matter. It was actually nice to have both Hercules and CGA installed in those days, then you got the best of both worlds. EGA, and later VGA changed all that, of course, providing both colour and high(er) resolution. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Jagossel on Sat Aug 11 08:45:00 2018
    On 08-10-18 16:22, Jagossel wrote to Nightfox <=-

    That was the impression that I got: Hercules had a higher resolution

    I can't remember the details, but that was a fact. But Wikipedia gives the answer.

    CGA was 640x200 in 4 colours, or 320x200 in 16 colours.

    Hercules was 720 x 348 monochrome.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Fri Aug 10 17:29:38 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sat Aug 11 2018 07:48 am

    Yep, that's correct. Herculese was great for things like disagrams and graphs, where the higher resolution meant finer details could be captured, and the lack of colour didn't matter. It was actually nice to have both Hercules and CGA installed in those days, then you got the best of both worlds. EGA, and later VGA changed all that, of course, providing both colour and high(er) resolution. :)

    Back when I got my first PC (a hand-me-down 286 with the Hercules card & monitor), I got ahold of a CAD program somewhere, and although I didn't quite know what CAD was for yet, I seem to remember finding some kind of demo mode in the CAD program, and I thought it was pretty cool that you could use a computer to make those kinds of drawings of things.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sat Aug 11 14:43:00 2018
    On 08-10-18 17:29, Nightfox wrote to Vk3je

    Back when I got my first PC (a hand-me-down 286 with the Hercules card
    & monitor), I got ahold of a CAD program somewhere, and although I
    didn't quite know what CAD was for yet, I seem to remember finding some kind of demo mode in the CAD program, and I thought it was pretty cool that you could use a computer to make those kinds of drawings of
    things.

    Yeah CAD was cool, and the best way for me o do drawings, because I could type in coordinates in the workspace and get precise postioning, rther than rlying on my dodgy fine motor coordination. There was a time in the early 90s when I did do some CAD drawing of electronic schematics and mechanical layouts of products the company I worked for produced.


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  • From Jagossel@VERT/MTLGEEK to Vk3jed on Sat Aug 11 08:20:30 2018
    Re: Re: Media
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sat Aug 11 2018 14:43:00

    Back when I got my first PC (a hand-me-down 286 with the Hercules card & monitor), I got ahold of a CAD program somewhere, and although I didn't quite know what CAD was for yet, I seem to remember finding some kind of demo mode in the CAD program, and I thought it was pretty cool that you could use a computer to make those kinds of drawings of things.

    Yeah CAD was cool, and the best way for me o do drawings, because I could ty in coordinates in the workspace and get precise postioning, rther than rlyin on my dodgy fine motor coordination. There was a time in the early 90s when did do some CAD drawing of electronic schematics and mechanical layouts of products the company I worked for produced.

    I never had an opportunity to use a CAD software. I did come across POVRay and thought it was interesting to be able to use code to describe the 3D environment and it would render it. It did all of usual 3D calculations and rendering (uninion, intersect, etc.), but it was way beyond my understanding. Still kind of now-a-days.

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to JAGOSSEL on Sat Aug 11 10:09:00 2018
    JAGOSSEL wrote to VK3JED <=-

    I never had an opportunity to use a CAD software. I did come across
    POVRay and thought it was interesting to be able to use code to
    describe the 3D environment and it would render it. It did all of usual
    3D calculations and rendering (uninion, intersect, etc.), but it was
    way beyond my understanding. Still kind of now-a-days.

    We had a CAD software, but I don't remember the name of it... We were
    needing to update the pics in the catalog of columns and such, so I
    was told to learn how to use it. :-)

    I would basically take measurements that were given to me and make the
    lines be exactly that size and it would do the rest. :-)




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  • From Rmh@VERT/UNICYBER to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 10 15:10:00 2018
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

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    By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Aug 07 2018 04:17 pm

    Yep, did all of those. :) Most of my systems had fast enough RAM to run 0 wait states. With QEMM, I used to get something like 704-716k conventional with all necessary drivers loaded. Trick was to use a CGA card, so the RAM immediately above 64k could also be used as conventional, leaving a total of 736k, before loading drivers.

    aaah!! the old good days!!
    The same in here with my old PC back in 1989!!

    I never did CGA or EGA - I ran old hercules mono graphics on a green screen monitor (the one true color) and waited until VGA came out.

    And it was SO SO expensive at the time to get a videoCard!
    I had CGA at the time (eventually) and that was all I could afford for years to come!


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