• Re: Mac's

    From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Mon Jul 2 11:21:50 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 02 2018 11:08 am

    Never used that myself, though I was aware of its existence. I did eventually start working with SCSI, once I started playing with servers.

    ESDI seemed like all of the speed of SCSI with all of the limitations of MFM - you couldn't daisy chain ESDI. IBM PS/2s used ESDI.

    I think the big problem with SCSI was having so many different standards. It wasn't clear which was SCSI-1 or 2, when you needed an active terminator instead of a passive terminator, some devices caused problems in the middle of the chain but were OK at the end...

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 3 22:10:12 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Digital Man on Sun Jul 01 2018 06:34:09

    ESDI, Man!

    My first Novell Netware ELS II had a 150 MB ESDI....

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Vk3jed on Tue Jul 3 22:16:08 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 02 2018 11:08:00

    many people made SCSI sound hard, but I never had any issues with it. I

    Modern era has plug and play, no hassle with IRQs and DMA. Auto termination, Jumperless mainboards, etc... in the 90s it was a challenge. But SCSI was superior for a long time for file/database servers.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hawkeye on Tue Jul 3 22:07:18 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Hawkeye to Vk3jed on Tue Jul 03 2018 10:16 pm

    Modern era has plug and play, no hassle with IRQs and DMA. Auto termination, Jumperless mainboards, etc... in the 90s it was a challenge. But SCSI was superior for a long time for file/database servers.

    Motherboards & expansion cards these days are easier to configure, but I still think it's fun to build and upgrade a PC.

    A lot of motherboards have onboard sound, but I've noticed most of them seem to be fairly simplistic and likely codec-based (usually some Realtek chipset, I believe). There don't seem to be many motherboards with more hardware-based audio, but I've seen some with Creative Labs Sound Blaster audio onboard.
    My current motherboard has onboard audio, but I opted to put in an Asus Xonar Xense audio card. I'm not sure if it's more efficient than the onboard sound, but it sounds great, and it included some really nice headphones as well.

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  • From Jazzy_J@VERT/JAYSCAFE to Hawkeye on Tue Jul 3 21:39:00 2018
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    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 02 2018 11:08:00

    many people made SCSI sound hard, but I never had any issues with it. I

    Modern era has plug and play, no hassle with IRQs and DMA. Auto termination, Jumperless mainboards, etc... in the 90s it was a
    challenge. But SCSI was superior for a long time for file/database servers.

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    I remember IRQ hell. I can't remember what I was doing. I faintly remember adding a modem and a soundcard for a system at work. The two needed the
    same IRQ or something.

    I remember developing a nervous tick over the matter and running off
    screaming into the night.

    J

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 3 14:11:00 2018
    On 07-02-18 11:21, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I think the big problem with SCSI was having so many different
    standards. It wasn't clear which was SCSI-1 or 2, when you needed an active terminator instead of a passive terminator, some devices caused problems in the middle of the chain but were OK at the end...

    I know some devices had internal terminators, which could be jumpered on or off. That might have been at least the cause of some of those issues.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hawkeye on Wed Jul 4 20:08:00 2018
    On 07-03-18 22:16, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    many people made SCSI sound hard, but I never had any issues with it. I

    Modern era has plug and play, no hassle with IRQs and DMA. Auto termination, Jumperless mainboards, etc... in the 90s it was a
    challenge. But SCSI was superior for a long time for file/database servers.

    Yes, I started using SCSI in the 90s, so did all of the manual configuration.
    )


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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Nightfox on Wed Jul 4 19:39:59 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Nightfox to Hawkeye on Tue Jul 03 2018 22:07:18

    Motherboards & expansion cards these days are easier to configure, but I still think it's fun to build and upgrade a PC.

    Yeps. I have prebuild machines here and my workstation is build by myself. It saved me thousands of dollars compared to HP, dell, etc... and I also want to game on it, which those workstations are not designed for. I made a combination between workstation, vr and gaming machine.

    Only the technical specs are like a secret, no company is honest and precise over their used components on their mainboards. If you download technical manuals you see USB controller 3.0. Funny. I want to know which controller chip is used.

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Jazzy_J on Wed Jul 4 19:43:36 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Jazzy_J to Hawkeye on Tue Jul 03 2018 21:39:00

    I remember IRQ hell. I can't remember what I was doing. I faintly remember adding a modem and a soundcard for a system at work. The two needed the same IRQ or something.

    Yeah correct. I think you refer to the IRQ 3/4 issues on modems and IRQ7 issues with soundcards and printerports :)

    That was hell... but o so nice computer time :) IT Consultants back then were Gods... LOL. Now everone says they have expert level in IT but they know not that much, not of old things but also not of the new ones. Amazed me now and then hearing discussions.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hawkeye on Thu Jul 5 08:51:40 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Hawkeye to Nightfox on Wed Jul 04 2018 07:39 pm

    Motherboards & expansion cards these days are easier to configure, but
    I still think it's fun to build and upgrade a PC.

    Yeps. I have prebuild machines here and my workstation is build by myself. It saved me thousands of dollars compared to HP, dell, etc... and I also want to game on it, which those workstations are not designed for. I made a combination between workstation, vr and gaming machine.

    I remember when you could save a good amount of money by building your own PC, but these days it seems like it's probably less expensive to buy a pre-built PC. I still enjoy building a PC though. And it has always seemed to me that pre-built PCs from the major PC makers like HP, Dell, etc. tend to skimp on a part here and there. The one pre-built desktop I bought once (an HP) had a video card that had a fan that started vibrating very loudly after just a couple months of use. It turned out it was a common problem for that machine and a lot of people, and HP replaced my machine's video card for free. So at least they did that. At first HP offered to have me ship the whole machine back to HP for replacement, but I told them I knew how to replace video cards, so they just sent me a new video card, along with a box with pre-paid shipping to send the bad card back to them.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Fri Jul 6 10:25:00 2018
    On 07-05-18 08:51, Nightfox wrote to Hawkeye <=-

    I remember when you could save a good amount of money by building your
    own PC, but these days it seems like it's probably less expensive to

    The local computer store often has good deals on pre-built PCs. Last one I ordered I wanted a different video card.They gave me a choice - they could install it for $45, or I could do it. I said that I knew how to do the installation, as I was a computer tech for many years, and before that, a hobbyist, building my own PCs. So I took the PC and the video card home, and installed it myself. :)


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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Nightfox on Fri Jul 6 13:47:51 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Nightfox to Hawkeye on Thu Jul 05 2018 08:51:40

    I remember when you could save a good amount of money by building your own PC, but these days it seems like it's probably less expensive to buy a

    I have a MSI X99 mainboard with i7 6800k (6 core) with 64 GB of memory. Back then most 1150 mainboards offered maximum 32 GB, now my maximum is 128GB. Yes I use 64 GB. Virtual Machines for testing. Also I wanted extra power for VR.

    I have now 2x 512GB NVME SSD, a 1TB SATA SSD and a 4GB SATA HDD.

    My memory is quad channel as X99 supports this. My GPU is a GTX1080.

    If you want this prebuilt, it cannot be found or if it is close it's actually 1000-1500 USD more.

    I would prefer buying a ready system from like HP or Dell but back then they didn't have enough USB3.0 ports for supporting VR well and have GPU of the previous generation.

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  • From Jazzy_J@VERT/JAYSCAFE to Hawkeye on Fri Jul 6 08:32:00 2018
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    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Jazzy_J to Hawkeye on Tue Jul 03 2018 21:39:00

    I remember IRQ hell. I can't remember what I was doing. I faintly remember adding a modem and a soundcard for a system at work. The two needed the same IRQ or something.

    Yeah correct. I think you refer to the IRQ 3/4 issues on modems and
    IRQ7 issues with soundcards and printerports :)

    That was hell... but o so nice computer time :) IT Consultants back
    then were Gods... LOL. Now everone says they have expert level in IT
    but they know not that much, not of old things but also not of the new ones. Amazed me now and then hearing discussions.

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    You are dead on.

    I wrote two lines of vbscript for a company and saved them about $130K.
    They went crazy about it. I was like, "it's two lines of code??"

    The code used Windows built-in functions to install printer drivers. We
    were migrating about 20K units from XP to 7. Saved tons of effort.

    But, there is not imagination or ingenuity these days. It makes me sad.

    J

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hawkeye on Fri Jul 6 14:11:14 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Hawkeye to Nightfox on Fri Jul 06 2018 01:47 pm

    I have a MSI X99 mainboard with i7 6800k (6 core) with 64 GB of memory. Back then most 1150 mainboards offered maximum 32 GB, now my maximum is 128GB. Yes I use 64 GB. Virtual Machines for testing. Also I wanted extra power for VR.

    Yeah, I put in probably more RAM than I need in my current PC, thinking I might use some VMs and stuff like that, though I haven't done that as much as I thought I would.

    I have now 2x 512GB NVME SSD, a 1TB SATA SSD and a 4GB SATA HDD.

    My memory is quad channel as X99 supports this. My GPU is a GTX1080.

    If you want this prebuilt, it cannot be found or if it is close it's actually 1000-1500 USD more.

    Customizing your PC is definitely one of the reasons to build your own. I still wonder if it would cost more to build it yourself than to buy a pre-built PC with the same specs (if one could be found).

    I would prefer buying a ready system from like HP or Dell but back then they didn't have enough USB3.0 ports for supporting VR well and have GPU of the previous generation.

    I suppose I don't mind buying a pre-built system, but often they don't have exactly what I'd want. Also, I often just enjoy using a system that I built myself.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jazzy_J on Fri Jul 6 14:16:05 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Jazzy_J to Hawkeye on Fri Jul 06 2018 08:32 am

    I wrote two lines of vbscript for a company and saved them about $130K. They went crazy about it. I was like, "it's two lines of code??"

    But, there is not imagination or ingenuity these days. It makes me sad.

    I was working for someone once, and I remember a little task we had that was searching and replacing some text in some documents. My manager seemed to be struggling with how to do that effectively, and I wrote a little regular expression that did it very quickly.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sat Jul 7 08:45:00 2018
    On 07-06-18 14:11, Nightfox wrote to Hawkeye <=-

    I suppose I don't mind buying a pre-built system, but often they don't have exactly what I'd want. Also, I often just enjoy using a system
    that I built myself.

    I usually find something close to what I want for a reasonable price and then either get the store to tweak it, or get the parts and do that myself. :)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Fri Jul 6 17:02:35 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sat Jul 07 2018 08:45 am

    I suppose I don't mind buying a pre-built system, but often they
    don't have exactly what I'd want. Also, I often just enjoy using a
    system that I built myself.

    I usually find something close to what I want for a reasonable price and then either get the store to tweak it, or get the parts and do that myself. :)

    Pre-built PCs seem easier to tweak these days than they used to. In the 90s, I remember seeing a lot of PCs from Dell, Packard Bell, HP, etc. that used custom cases that were harder to open and upgrade. One of my friends had a Packard Bell PC that was in a short and wide case that had expansion slots that were sideways on a riser card. I think that PC also had an expansion card made by Packard Bell that was a combined sound card and internal modem or something.. I had an HP desktop PC about 8 years ago that was better, but it still had a custom HP case that had a slot in the front for some HP-designed hot swappable hard drive. That PC also had wifi using some internal wifi antenna in the case.. Eventually I moved all the guts from that PC into a standard PC case.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sat Jul 7 10:36:00 2018
    On 07-06-18 14:16, Nightfox wrote to Jazzy_J <=-

    I was working for someone once, and I remember a little task we had
    that was searching and replacing some text in some documents. My
    manager seemed to be struggling with how to do that effectively, and I wrote a little regular expression that did it very quickly.

    sed is often your friend in these instances. :)

    In the hobbyist scene, I run one of the major Internet Radio Linking Project (IRLP) reflectors. I developed the means to run multiprotocol voice conferences. But as these reflectors have 10 channels, only some of which might be configured for multiprotocol use. I devised a set of scripts to glue all of this together. They have to work out what software is running (and do nothing id the "stock" software is running on a particular channel), then what channel called them, and once that is known, configure their environment to be able to control the specific channel. This auto configuration happens in 2 stages. First a special file is read to work out which software is running. This sets up what command processor and configuration to use. Once we have the configuration file, this is parsed (with grep and cut), to get ports and other variables required to control the channel.

    Yep you can get quite clever with scripts. :)


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Sat Jul 7 00:38:34 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sat Jul 07 2018 08:45 am

    On 07-06-18 14:11, Nightfox wrote to Hawkeye <=-

    I suppose I don't mind buying a pre-built system, but often they don't have exactly what I'd want. Also, I often just enjoy using a system that I built myself.

    I usually find something close to what I want for a reasonable price and then either get the store to tweak it, or get the parts and do that myself. :)


    you can save a lot of time and headache buying a prebuilt desktop and then adding memory or other components.

    the build your own and save money days are long over.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sat Jul 7 18:27:00 2018
    On 07-06-18 17:02, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Pre-built PCs seem easier to tweak these days than they used to. In
    the 90s, I remember seeing a lot of PCs from Dell, Packard Bell, HP,
    etc. that used custom cases that were harder to open and upgrade. One

    I don't deal with name brand stuff though, more likely whitebox from the local computer store.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Sat Jul 7 18:28:00 2018
    On 07-07-18 00:38, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    you can save a lot of time and headache buying a prebuilt desktop and
    then adding memory or other components.

    Yes, that's been the case for well over 10 years.

    the build your own and save money days are long over.

    From my experience, I'd agree. Even contributing free labour for the build, I can't get the same prices.


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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Jazzy_J on Sat Jul 7 20:32:34 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Jazzy_J to Hawkeye on Fri Jul 06 2018 08:32:00

    I wrote two lines of vbscript for a company and saved them about $130K.
    They went crazy about it. I was like, "it's two lines of code??"

    Also a lot of people see it as black magic... but what if... and are you sure.

    But, there is not imagination or ingenuity these days. It makes me sad.

    True, me too. The specialists nowadays cannot come with simple solutions. Mixing solutions is way too complex for them.


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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Vk3jed on Sat Jul 7 20:38:31 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sat Jul 07 2018 08:45:00

    I usually find something close to what I want for a reasonable price and then either get the store to tweak it, or get the parts and do that myself. :)

    I tried too but on that moment no normal brand had enough USB3.0 ports and bandwith for what I wanted. If the mainboard doesn't support it you can not simply add it. For me that was NVME SSDs, 4 extra USB3.0 ports for my VR setup (specific chipset requirements), 6 cores and more than 32 GB MEM.

    My system is now 2 years old but I'm sure I can do more with this than most prebuild pc, even marked as highend.

    In the next year still will replace my NAS and so this fast PC can be used for many years.

    If then prebuilds are offering what I want I reconsider buying a prebuild. A long time I have bought HPs (and Compaqs before) and also laptops (Dell and Sony) and have 1 iMac. I love to get the best possible.

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to MRO on Sat Jul 7 20:42:05 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Sat Jul 07 2018 00:38:34

    you can save a lot of time and headache buying a prebuilt desktop and then adding memory or other components.

    2 years ago when I made my system it wasnt. Believe me I checked all brands and combinations, was 1500 USD difference... and none had a 6 core CPU, only 4 core. You could add memory but only up to a maximum of 16 GB... nope I had that in my old NAS and PC. So I wanted more than 32 GB for my VMs. Now I'm running 2 years with 64 GB and a GTX1080... Still working good.

    I can upgrade to 128GB and my PCIE lanes can hold many NVMe SSDs etc... which even new prebuild system supports this for the same money?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sat Jul 7 20:31:17 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Sat Jul 07 2018 12:38 am

    you can save a lot of time and headache buying a prebuilt desktop and then adding memory or other components.

    the build your own and save money days are long over.

    True, but there's still just something I like about building my own PC. I like to be able to choose all the parts that go into it and knowing it's something I put together myself.

    Also, I've found that the big name-brand PC makers (such as Dell, HP, etc.) often seem to skimp on a part here and there. I had an HP desktop once where the fan in the video card started to get really loud. But thankfully HP replaced the video card for free. Also, in the past, they would often make their own non-standard PC cases & things that would make them hard to upgrade. But I think they've gotten better over the years.

    There are also still small computer stores (at least, in my area) that can build a PC for you.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hawkeye on Sat Jul 7 20:33:55 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Hawkeye to MRO on Sat Jul 07 2018 08:42 pm

    2 years ago when I made my system it wasnt. Believe me I checked all brands and combinations, was 1500 USD difference... and none had a 6 core CPU, only 4 core. You could add memory but only up to a maximum of 16 GB... nope I had that in my old NAS and PC. So I wanted more than 32 GB for my VMs. Now I'm running 2 years with 64 GB and a GTX1080... Still working good.

    Yeah, your computer can last a while if you choose good parts. I built my current desktop PC in 2011 (and I did upgrade the CPU a year later, and also put in an SSD at the same time), but I'm still using the same desktop. It still does the job for me.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sun Jul 8 00:08:14 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Jul 07 2018 08:31 pm

    the build your own and save money days are long over.

    True, but there's still just something I like about building my own PC. I like to be able to choose all the parts that go into it and knowing it's something I put together myself.

    Also, I've found that the big name-brand PC makers (such as Dell, HP, etc.) often seem to skimp on a part here and there. I had an HP desktop once where the fan in the video card started to get really loud. But thankfully HP replaced the video card for free. Also, in the past, they would often


    the last computer i had was one i built. i think the motherboard or some other component had an issue. i was never able to totally pin down what it was.
    it was not as fast as it should have been and sometimes when i moved the computer it wouldnt start up again until i unplugged all the components and reinstalled. i think there was a fracture on the mobo in that case.

    anyways, i got one of those cybertron computers and even though the mobo isnt the best, it's good enough and it has the fastest i7 in an okay case with a good video card with good memory for ~800 bucks. it plays games at max settings and i'm happy with it and i dont have a problem with it over heating (which was another issue).

    so my previous computer had really great components and should have been great, but wasnt. this engineered computer works better and i didnt have to fuck with it or trouble shoot it. i just switch it on like an appliance.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Sat Jul 7 23:00:00 2018
    Nightfox wrote to Hawkeye <=-

    Motherboards & expansion cards these days are easier to configure, but
    I still think it's fun to build and upgrade a PC.

    I miss the days when local computer stores would build-to-order systems.
    Now it's all commodity Dell/Lenovo/HP crap from Best Buy. Margins and real estate prices killed them off around here.




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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hawkeye on Sun Jul 8 16:18:00 2018
    On 07-07-18 20:38, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I tried too but on that moment no normal brand had enough USB3.0 ports
    and bandwith for what I wanted. If the mainboard doesn't support it you can not simply add it. For me that was NVME SSDs, 4 extra USB3.0 ports
    for my VR setup (specific chipset requirements), 6 cores and more than
    32 GB MEM.

    Yeah I can understand custom building your PC, to meet the specific requirements.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jul 8 02:33:51 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Jul 07 2018 11:00 pm

    Nightfox wrote to Hawkeye <=-

    Motherboards & expansion cards these days are easier to configure, but I still think it's fun to build and upgrade a PC.

    I miss the days when local computer stores would build-to-order systems.
    Now it's all commodity Dell/Lenovo/HP crap from Best Buy. Margins and real estate prices killed them off around here.



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  • From Ed Vance@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Nightfox on Fri Jul 6 22:54:00 2018
    07-06-18 14:16 Nightfox wrote to Jazzy_J about Re: Mac's
    Howdy! Nightfox and Jazzy_J,

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    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Jazzy_J to Hawkeye on Fri Jul 06 2018 08:32 am

    I wrote two lines of vbscript for a company and saved them about $130K. They went crazy about it. I was like, "it's two lines of code??"

    But, there is not imagination or ingenuity these days. It makes me sad.

    I was working for someone once, and I remember a little task we had
    that was searching and replacing some text in some documents. My
    manager seemed to be struggling with how to do that effectively, and I wrote a little regular expression that did it very quickly.

    Pardon my jumping in to pat myself on my back, even though every time I do
    that I hurt my wrist, elbow and shoulder.

    There was a 386 with Win3.1 where I worked that someone in the front office
    had made a BASIC Menu for us to type a Number Key and press Enter so we could Enter our Data twice a day and Get some Daily Reports printed out with it.

    About 1PM each day, we Printed a BIG Report (3 or 4 pages).

    The Data that we needed was 3 LINES in the middle of the report.

    I added a Menu Option that used the MS-DOS FIND Command to find OUR 3 LINES
    of information, and display it on the Monitor so we could write it down on
    a piece of paper to refer to until the next day when a new Report came in.

    I know what I did wasn't Rocket Science, but it took less time than
    printing out the Report and searching for our information each day to write
    it down.

    Back then I knew enough about BASIC and MS-DOS to be considered Dangerous.
    My computer knowledge is still about at the same level today, but I
    appreciate reading the Tips and Tricks that are shared by BBS Users.

    THANKS!


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  • From Jazzy_J@VERT/JAYSCAFE to Ed Vance on Sun Jul 8 10:01:00 2018
    Ed Vance wrote to Nightfox <=-

    @VIA: VERT/CAPCITY2
    @TZ: c12c
    07-06-18 14:16 Nightfox wrote to Jazzy_J about Re: Mac's
    Howdy! Nightfox and Jazzy_J,

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    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Jazzy_J to Hawkeye on Fri Jul 06 2018 08:32 am

    I wrote two lines of vbscript for a company and saved them about $130K. They went crazy about it. I was like, "it's two lines of code??"

    But, there is not imagination or ingenuity these days. It makes me sad.

    I was working for someone once, and I remember a little task we had
    that was searching and replacing some text in some documents. My
    manager seemed to be struggling with how to do that effectively, and I wrote a little regular expression that did it very quickly.

    Pardon my jumping in to pat myself on my back, even though every time I
    do that I hurt my wrist, elbow and shoulder.

    There was a 386 with Win3.1 where I worked that someone in the front office had made a BASIC Menu for us to type a Number Key and press
    Enter so we could Enter our Data twice a day and Get some Daily Reports printed out with it.

    About 1PM each day, we Printed a BIG Report (3 or 4 pages).

    The Data that we needed was 3 LINES in the middle of the report.

    I added a Menu Option that used the MS-DOS FIND Command to find OUR 3 LINES of information, and display it on the Monitor so we could write
    it down on a piece of paper to refer to until the next day when a new Report came in.

    I know what I did wasn't Rocket Science, but it took less time than printing out the Report and searching for our information each day to write it down.

    Back then I knew enough about BASIC and MS-DOS to be considered
    Dangerous. My computer knowledge is still about at the same level
    today, but I appreciate reading the Tips and Tricks that are shared by
    BBS Users.

    THANKS!


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    This is exactly what I'm talking about.

    I worked for an IT shop that needed to create folders for each day of the
    month of the year on a network share. It was tedious.

    I wrote a script a few lines long that created the folders.

    The admin clerk thought I was a god.

    The script took 365 interations of: Right-click | new folder | give it a
    name to -- run this script once a year.

    I was in a shop of about 7 IT kids. 0 on the imagination.



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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Nightfox on Sun Jul 8 20:57:18 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Jul 07 2018 20:31:17

    There are also still small computer stores (at least, in my area) that can build a PC for you.

    They are all gone here :( only prebuild machines and no competent personel anymore.

    I said to one the Dell XPS15 has no true thunderbolt 3 connection, as Dell has halved it's bandwith which makes it unable to use an external GPU. This can only be found on reddit/forums, not in technical specs. The answer when I explained this was why would you want an external GPU as the GTX1050 is fast enought. I said, for an GTX1080 for using VR. He looked at me with puzzled eyes.

    HAWKEYE

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jul 8 20:58:55 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Jul 07 2018 23:00:00

    I miss the days when local computer stores would build-to-order systems.
    Now it's all commodity Dell/Lenovo/HP crap from Best Buy. Margins and real estate prices killed them off around here.

    Yeps, same here.. Miss it too. My favorite computer shop stopped doing this, I only going there to quickly buy a SD card or so... which I don'' want to wait a day for online purchasing... their own bad..

    HAWKEYE

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 9 09:36:24 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Jul 07 2018 11:00 pm

    I miss the days when local computer stores would build-to-order systems. Now it's all commodity Dell/Lenovo/HP crap from Best Buy. Margins and real estate prices killed them off around here.

    There are still a few one-off computer part stores in my area, and I think at least a couple of them custom build PCs. There was one company I had also heard of that has a web site where you can specify some PC components or what you want to do with your PC and they'll custom build one for you and ship it to you. I don't remember the name of the company though.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hawkeye on Mon Jul 9 09:43:05 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Hawkeye to Nightfox on Sun Jul 08 2018 08:57 pm

    They are all gone here :( only prebuild machines and no competent personel anymore.

    I said to one the Dell XPS15 has no true thunderbolt 3 connection, as Dell has halved it's bandwith which makes it unable to use an external GPU. This can only be found on reddit/forums, not in technical specs. The answer when I explained this was why would you want an external GPU as the GTX1050 is fast enought. I said, for an GTX1080 for using VR. He looked at me with puzzled eyes.

    Yeah, it's disappointing.. I remember when back in the day (up to the mid 90s or so), pretty much everyone who you could talk to about computers had good knowledge of computers. Now, with pretty much everyone using computers (which isn't a bad thing), it's harder to find people who actually know a good deal about computers.

    I am also reminded of when I was in college, and I was taking a basic computer information class (I already knew a lot about computers, but it was just a required class for what I wanted to major in at the time). This was around 1999 or 2000 or so. The instructor said one time that any animated images you see on the internet/web are done with Java. I was wondering where he got that, because just a simple animated image could be done with an animated GIF.. Also, at the time, I remember seeing a Java logo come up whenever a Java applet was started on a web page, so if there was any Java in use (or not), you'd know.

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Mon Jul 9 10:58:18 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Nightfox to Hawkeye on Mon Jul 09 2018 09:43 am

    Yeah, it's disappointing.. I remember when back in the day (up to the mid 90s or so), pretty much everyone who you could talk to about computers had good knowledge of computers. Now, with pretty much everyone using computers (which isn't a bad thing), it's harder to find people who actually know a good deal about computers.

    The exclusivity of the computer culture in the 90s was part of the allure. We were doing something no one else could comprehend -- sending electronic mail around the world for free, looking up library information form halfway around the world, and connecting with people around the world...

    Now people do that with their phones.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 9 12:14:19 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Mon Jul 09 2018 10:58 am

    The exclusivity of the computer culture in the 90s was part of the allure. We were doing something no one else could comprehend -- sending electronic mail around the world for free, looking up library information form halfway around the world, and connecting with people around the world...

    Now people do that with their phones.

    Yeah, it seemed more fun and exciting back then because it wasn't as common. Now it's more of an everyday occurrance to connect with people around the country or around the world on social media, etc.

    I used to use ICQ a long time ago, and one thing I liked about it was its random chat feature - You could have it find a random person to chat with. I remember ICQ also allowed for people to have a small profile on ICQ to tell people a little abit about yourself. There were people I talked to all around the world on ICQ. I had a list of people I talked to on a regular basis, but over time drifted apart and I haven't heard from many of them in a long time. And I think some of them stopped using ICQ.. I haven't used ICQ in a long time myself.

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Mon Jul 9 17:15:27 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 09 2018 12:14 pm

    I used to use ICQ a long time ago, and one thing I liked about it was its random chat feature - You could have it find a random person to chat with.

    I remember the status of having a low ICQ number. I was 86103423, which I thought was pretty good until I ran into someone with a 5 digit ICQ.

    ICQ is still around - we should move to ICQ and MySpace, keep the old sites going. :)

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 10 09:30:35 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Mon Jul 09 2018 05:15 pm

    I remember the status of having a low ICQ number. I was 86103423, which I thought was pretty good until I ran into someone with a 5 digit ICQ.

    I knew only one other person who mentioned having a low ICQ number.. I never really thought about it. I remember my ICQ number being 3331918, even though I haven't used ICQ in a long time.

    ICQ is still around - we should move to ICQ and MySpace, keep the old sites going. :)

    :) I still think it's interesting that everyone seemed to move away from MySpace to Facebook, which is just another social network. I've read that people got tired of the custom themes & things people were able to use on MySpace, but I thought it was cool to be able to customize the look of your own social networking page.

    Nightfox

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  • From Chai@VERT/AMIGAC to Hawkeye on Tue Jul 10 17:47:00 2018
    Hawkeye wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I have a MSI X99 mainboard with i7 6800k (6 core) with 64 GB of memory. Back then most 1150 mainboards offered maximum 32 GB, now my maximum is 128GB. Yes I use 64 GB. Virtual Machines for testing. Also I wanted
    extra power for VR.

    Those specs put my PC to shame. :) I'm about due for an upgrade, but I have other things I have to pay for first.

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Nightfox on Tue Jul 10 19:43:21 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Nightfox to Hawkeye on Mon Jul 09 2018 09:43:05

    I am also reminded of when I was in college, and I was taking a basic
    around 1999 or 2000 or so. The instructor said one time that any animated images you see on the internet/web are done with Java. I was wondering

    Actually when I was in college the instructor said there is no, I repeat no, way modems can go faster than 2400 BAUD. I remember asking him if he was referring to BAUD or BPS. That is the same. I said hell no. The class laughed but didn't know I was right because it was not mentioned in the book.

    I said I have modems running 16k8 HST, which was 16800 BPS download and slower upload speed, depending capabilities PBX.

    Next lesson I took the books of US Robotics with me and he still didn't believe me. I said... this are ACTUAL manuals I have these products RUNNING at home, come see it.

    6 months later I quit college. It was for me too difficult to remember what was their truth. The actual world was running faster and explaining it too.

    HAWKEYE

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Nightfox on Tue Jul 10 19:45:52 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 09 2018 12:14:19

    a long time. And I think some of them stopped using ICQ.. I haven't used ICQ in a long time myself.

    What to say about irc? Still being used, when I used it back then, ppl told me I was nuts 'chatting' with other ppl around the world... now they have whatsapp, discord, and wow what a good idea to use... omg... irc had even file transfers.

    HAWKEYE

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 10 19:50:57 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Mon Jul 09 2018 17:15:27

    I remember the status of having a low ICQ number. I was 86103423, which I

    11501147

    strange thing is... why I do remember this number so well... don't use ICQ multiple years....

    and... having an @msn.com email which later became hotmail, than outlook... still using my msn.com

    I forgot my compuserve id.... :(

    HAWKEYE

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  • From bgdjr@VERT/BGDCAG to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 10 21:04:34 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Mon Jul 09 2018 17:15:27

    I remember the status of having a low ICQ number. I was 86103423, which I thought was pretty good until I ran into someone with a 5 digit ICQ.

    lol I had 6070205 and 15975743 but ya I met a few 5 digit people too


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hawkeye on Wed Jul 11 09:27:22 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Hawkeye to Nightfox on Tue Jul 10 2018 07:43 pm

    Actually when I was in college the instructor said there is no, I repeat no, way modems can go faster than 2400 BAUD. I remember asking him if he was referring to BAUD or BPS. That is the same. I said hell no. The class laughed but didn't know I was right because it was not mentioned in the book.

    I said I have modems running 16k8 HST, which was 16800 BPS download and slower upload speed, depending capabilities PBX.

    Next lesson I took the books of US Robotics with me and he still didn't believe me. I said... this are ACTUAL manuals I have these products RUNNING at home, come see it.

    Wow.. Sounds like they were using some outdated info in the class.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hawkeye on Wed Jul 11 09:29:52 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Hawkeye to Nightfox on Tue Jul 10 2018 07:45 pm

    a long time. And I think some of them stopped using ICQ.. I haven't
    used ICQ in a long time myself.

    What to say about irc? Still being used, when I used it back then, ppl told me I was nuts 'chatting' with other ppl around the world... now they have whatsapp, discord, and wow what a good idea to use... omg... irc had even file transfers.

    It seems silly people would think it's nuts to talk to people around the world.. People have done that with HAM radio for a long time before BBSes came around.

    I used to use IRC a lot but don't really use IRC anymore. Maybe on rare occasion.. In the mid-late 90s, I used to hang out in a couple IRC chat rooms online (one was an OS/2 support chat room), and there was another IRC room that had trivia games going all the time that I liked to play sometimes.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hawkeye on Wed Jul 11 09:37:36 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Hawkeye to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 10 2018 07:50 pm

    I remember the status of having a low ICQ number. I was 86103423,
    which I

    11501147

    strange thing is... why I do remember this number so well... don't use ICQ multiple years....

    I remember my ICQ number too, but I think that's because I used ICQ a lot, so whenver I had to re-install Windows, or install ICQ on multiple machines I used, I had to remember my ICQ credentials so I could log in.

    Nightfox

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Chai on Wed Jul 11 17:08:02 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Chai to Hawkeye on Tue Jul 10 2018 17:47:00

    Those specs put my PC to shame. :) I'm about due for an upgrade, but I have other things I have to pay for first.

    It's always about priorities... its also my job, so my daily tool. Im sure I had a lower spec pc if it wasnt my tool for earning money.

    HAWKEYE

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hawkeye on Wed Jul 11 12:35:00 2018
    On 07-10-18 19:43, Hawkeye wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Actually when I was in college the instructor said there is no, I
    repeat no, way modems can go faster than 2400 BAUD. I remember asking
    him if he was referring to BAUD or BPS. That is the same. I said hell
    no. The class laughed but didn't know I was right because it was not mentioned in the book.

    That sucks when (1) they don't know, and (2) won't listen to solid evidence, when it's presented. When I was studying networking, I did the theory at university, learning about IP and how it worked. Then I'd go home after classes and get on packet radio. At the time I was running IP over AX.25 using KA9Q NOS, and at 1200 bps half duplex, you could watch TCP 3 way handshakes in real time and see what was happening. :)

    6 months later I quit college. It was for me too difficult to remember what was their truth. The actual world was running faster and
    explaining it too.

    I don't blame you. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thu Jul 12 19:51:00 2018
    On 07-11-18 09:29, Nightfox wrote to Hawkeye <=-

    It seems silly people would think it's nuts to talk to people around
    the world.. People have done that with HAM radio for a long time
    before BBSes came around.

    Yep, I was going it before I ever saw a modem. :) And all in analog (SSB). :D

    I used to use IRC a lot but don't really use IRC anymore. Maybe on
    rare occasion.. In the mid-late 90s, I used to hang out in a couple
    IRC chat rooms online (one was an OS/2 support chat room), and there
    was another IRC room that had trivia games going all the time that I
    liked to play sometimes.

    I used to be a big IRC junkie in the 90s and early 2000s, but it slowly faded away. I haven't used IRC for ages, except via my Synchronet BBS. But again, my first computer based chat experience was on ham packet radio. With the help of the (then) new "wormholes", now known as AXIP tunneling, I was able to connect from Melboune, Australia to a conference bridge in Texas and chat to hams all over the world. For me, both BBS chat (and BBSs themselves) and IRC came slightly later. Packet chat in 1991, BBS chat in 1992 (though I did dabble in BBSs in 91 as a user), and IRC in late 94. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thu Jul 12 19:52:00 2018
    On 07-11-18 09:37, Nightfox wrote to Hawkeye <=-

    I remember my ICQ number too, but I think that's because I used ICQ a
    lot, so whenver I had to re-install Windows, or install ICQ on multiple machines I used, I had to remember my ICQ credentials so I could log
    in.

    ICQ was cool in its time. My number was/is 2961582. :)

    Hmm, maybe we should all get back on ICQ? :D


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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Nightfox on Fri Jul 13 19:34:13 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Nightfox to Hawkeye on Wed Jul 11 2018 09:27:22

    Wow.. Sounds like they were using some outdated info in the class.
    Nightfox

    Worst part of it was it was famous for its technical information technology expertise... every day in college I was... WTF... I told it my parents, didnt study and what I had wrong was due to their old information, not because I didnt know. Learning the students old tech and absolete methods.

    For the students now I hope everything is updated correct.

    I had a BBS and said email is important to communicate international. The teacher really told in the class internet is a hype which will fade away soon.

    The sucker had no computer at home. I asked this. Because I said loud out you dont know what you are talking about.

    As said I left school for this. Prefer to get my knowledge from manuals and trainings.

    HAWKEYE

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Nightfox on Fri Jul 13 19:35:58 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Nightfox to Hawkeye on Wed Jul 11 2018 09:29:52

    I used to use IRC a lot but don't really use IRC anymore. Maybe on rare occasion.. In the mid-late 90s, I used to hang out in a couple IRC chat rooms online (one was an OS/2 support chat room), and there was another IRC room that had trivia games going all the time that I liked to play sometimes.

    I only used IRC actively during my 'scene' time. It was the way to communicate fast.

    Some days ago i connected to an IRC channel, nobody reacted...

    HAWKEYE

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hawkeye on Fri Jul 13 13:31:47 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Hawkeye to Nightfox on Fri Jul 13 2018 07:34 pm

    Worst part of it was it was famous for its technical information technology expertise... every day in college I was... WTF... I told it my parents, didnt study and what I had wrong was due to their old information, not because I didnt know. Learning the students old tech and absolete methods.

    The colleges I went to weren't that bad (I think my course had up-to-date information), but when I was in high school, I took a programming class where they were teaching BASIC. And I remember them using an old programming book from the 70s or something (this was the mid-90s). At the time I thought BASIC was rather old and wondered why they'd be teaching that, rather than something like C or C++ or maybe Pascal.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hawkeye on Fri Jul 13 13:33:39 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Hawkeye to Nightfox on Fri Jul 13 2018 07:35 pm

    I only used IRC actively during my 'scene' time. It was the way to communicate fast.

    Some days ago i connected to an IRC channel, nobody reacted...

    A co-worker of mine once mentioned something he saw online (maybe a Reddit post or a comic, I don't remember) about IRC conversations:
    User 1: HELLO EVERYONE
    User 2: Try pressing your caps lock key.
    User 1: THANKS, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO TYPE NOW.


    Nightfox

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  • From Jazzy_J@VERT/JAYSCAFE to Nightfox on Thu Jul 12 09:30:00 2018
    Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

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    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Mon Jul 09 2018 05:15 pm

    I remember the status of having a low ICQ number. I was 86103423, which I thought was pretty good until I ran into someone with a 5 digit ICQ.

    I knew only one other person who mentioned having a low ICQ number.. I never really thought about it. I remember my ICQ number being 3331918, even though I haven't used ICQ in a long time.

    ICQ is still around - we should move to ICQ and MySpace, keep the old sites going. :)

    :) I still think it's interesting that everyone seemed to move away
    from MySpace to Facebook, which is just another social network. I've
    read that people got tired of the custom themes & things people were
    able to use on MySpace, but I thought it was cool to be able to
    customize the look of your own social networking page.

    Nightfox

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    My ICQ # is 10448916.

    My original one was lower, but I lost access to it after not using it
    for 4 years, and changed email, etc. and even forgot what it was.

    I had to dig in my archives to find my number. My old password still
    worked, although they made me change it and setup multi-factor
    identification.

    They have trimmed the fluff from it. It seems to be a very clean
    interface, although it looks like it is aimed at a target audience of 12
    yo girls.

    The web profile is still there, but considerably reduced. You can only
    post a photo and a few bits of information.

    I've installed the client and looked up Poindexter's UIN and it's still active.

    Kinda cool and alarming at the same time. The fact that it had my
    some of my personal information with a password I decommissioned almost
    a decade ago makes me wonder how many other artifacts are out there
    protected with weak passwords.

    I've got my account setup on my desktop. I (try to) leave IRC on 24
    hrs, and I'll try to do the same with ICQ for the next week are so. If
    anyone wants to give it a shot, they will be able to send a message to a (slighty) human entity.

    Anyway, happy computing.

    J

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  • From Jazzy_J@VERT/JAYSCAFE to Hawkeye on Thu Jul 12 09:34:00 2018
    Hawkeye wrote to Nightfox <=-

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    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 09 2018 12:14:19

    a long time. And I think some of them stopped using ICQ.. I haven't used ICQ in a long time myself.

    What to say about irc? Still being used, when I used it back then, ppl told me I was nuts 'chatting' with other ppl around the world... now
    they have whatsapp, discord, and wow what a good idea to use... omg...
    irc had even file transfers.

    I was told the same thing by my computer science instructor. I
    remember the day. I wanted to go online to get realtime information
    about the OK city bombing. April 19, 1995 (I had to Google the date).
    He told me I did not want to go on IRC because there was nothing but
    bad on there.

    I try to leave IRC on 24-hrs a day. I try to maintain a presence on freenode.net.

    HAWKEYE

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  • From Jazzy_J@VERT/JAYSCAFE to Hawkeye on Thu Jul 12 09:41:00 2018
    Hawkeye wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

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    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Mon Jul 09 2018 17:15:27

    I remember the status of having a low ICQ number. I was 86103423, which I

    11501147

    strange thing is... why I do remember this number so well... don't use
    ICQ multiple years....

    and... having an @msn.com email which later became hotmail, than outlook... still using my msn.com

    I forgot my compuserve id.... :(

    I haven't had compuserve since 1994. Man. I have no idea. I used to
    access it through ncomm on my amiga 500. Pure text. I had a 2400 baud
    modem. I also could access it at 1200 baud on my C64, but I only could
    use 40 columns. I had an amberchrome 13" monitor that strained my
    eyes. Yet, I could book flights with it.

    Dear Lord, those were the days. I was on Ft. Meade, Maryland and 1992
    was my entry into BBSing. I don't remember the names of the BBSes I
    used to be a member of.

    I remember sending a message through a local BBS, through FN, to his
    account on a local BBS in Springfield, MO. I was able to find out his
    FN hub by an inter-BBS forum that he posted to and he was still using
    the nickname we gave him when we were stationed together in Germany.

    At that, I was hooked on this type of communications.

    Sorry, I ramble.

    J

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jazzy_J on Fri Jul 13 17:03:26 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Jazzy_J to Nightfox on Thu Jul 12 2018 09:30 am

    ICQ is still around - we should move to ICQ and MySpace, keep the
    old sites going. :)

    They have trimmed the fluff from it. It seems to be a very clean interface, although it looks like it is aimed at a target audience of 12 yo girls.

    The web profile is still there, but considerably reduced. You can only post a photo and a few bits of information.

    Yeah, the last time I used ICQ (quite a while ago), it seemed they removed some things/features from it. I didn't think it was as nice as it used to be.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sat Jul 14 10:01:40 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Nightfox to Jazzy_J on Fri Jul 13 2018 05:03 pm

    Yeah, the last time I used ICQ (quite a while ago), it seemed they removed some things/features from it. I didn't think it was as nice as it used to be.

    Nightfox
    icq is owned by some russian company now.

    my gf used it recently for a short time for communicating with people she played with in an old game she revisited.
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  • From Jazzy_J@VERT/JAYSCAFE to Nightfox on Sat Jul 14 21:45:00 2018
    Nightfox wrote to Hawkeye <=-

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    @TZ: c1e0
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Hawkeye to Nightfox on Fri Jul 13 2018 07:35 pm

    I only used IRC actively during my 'scene' time. It was the way to communicate fast.

    Some days ago i connected to an IRC channel, nobody reacted...

    A co-worker of mine once mentioned something he saw online (maybe a
    Reddit post or a comic, I don't remember) about IRC conversations:
    User 1: HELLO EVERYONE
    User 2: Try pressing your caps lock key.
    User 1: THANKS, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO TYPE NOW.

    That is hilarious.

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Chai on Sun Jul 15 09:11:26 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Chai to Hawkeye on Tue Jul 10 2018 05:47 pm

    Those specs put my PC to shame. :) I'm about due for an upgrade, but I have other things I have to pay for first.

    Yeah, I've got a Dell Core 2 Duo, 8 GB of RAM and RAIDed 2TB drives. I'm going to run this thing into the ground before I replace it. It does most everything I need it to, and it was $150 off lease probably 5 years ago now.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Hawkeye on Sun Jul 15 09:13:25 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Hawkeye to Nightfox on Tue Jul 10 2018 07:43 pm

    6 months later I quit college. It was for me too difficult to remember what was their truth. The actual world was running faster and explaining it too.

    I started working as a programmer while in college, and it jaded me. I had tenured professors who hadn't written a line of code who could quote theory day in and day out but when they tried to talk about "The Real World" their perspective rang hollow.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Hawkeye on Sun Jul 15 09:15:03 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Hawkeye to Nightfox on Tue Jul 10 2018 07:45 pm

    What to say about irc? Still being used, when I used it back then, ppl told me I was nuts 'chatting' with other ppl around the world... now they have whatsapp, discord, and wow what a good idea to use... omg... irc had even file transfers.

    Have you checked out the synchro.net IRC network? Most Synchronet boards carry it, or you can go to irc.synchro.net with any IRC client.

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Jazzy_J on Sun Jul 15 13:40:31 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Jazzy_J to Hawkeye on Thu Jul 12 2018 09:41:00

    Sorry, I ramble.

    Dont say sorry I like it! Like I am not the only one :)


    HAWKEYE

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  • From Derision@VERT/AMIGAC to Vk3jed on Mon Jul 16 21:14:02 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Jul 12 2018 19:52:00

    ICQ was cool in its time. My number was/is 2961582. :)

    Hmm, maybe we should all get back on ICQ? :D

    The software for ICQ is a joke these days. Owned by some Russian company, it's nowhere near what it used to be, unfortunately.

    I remember my number, too, despite rarely using the thing. 99472028.

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 16 19:41:08 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Hawkeye on Sun Jul 15 2018 09:15:03

    Have you checked out the synchro.net IRC network? Most Synchronet boards carry it, or you can go to irc.synchro.net with any IRC client.

    Because of protecting myself I dont have IRC anymore on my machines...

    But I will keep it in mind so I can check it now and than :)


    HAWKEYE

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Hawkeye on Tue Jul 17 02:04:02 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Hawkeye to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 16 2018 07:41 pm

    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Hawkeye on Sun Jul 15 2018 09:15:03

    Have you checked out the synchro.net IRC network? Most Synchronet boards carry it, or you can go to irc.synchro.net with any IRC client.

    Because of protecting myself I dont have IRC anymore on my machines...

    If you're running Synchronet, you probably have IRC and don't even know it. Try hitting 'R' from the Chat menu. :-)

    digital man

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Derision on Tue Jul 17 18:21:00 2018
    On 07-16-18 21:14, Derision wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    The software for ICQ is a joke these days. Owned by some Russian
    company, it's nowhere near what it used to be, unfortunately.

    I haven't used ICQ in years. Does Pidgin still work on ICQ?


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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Digital Man on Tue Jul 17 20:05:35 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Digital Man to Hawkeye on Tue Jul 17 2018 02:04:02

    If you're running Synchronet, you probably have IRC and don't even know it. Try hitting 'R' from the Chat menu. :-)

    uhm... LOL... no I didnt know this.. checked it out and it worked... what a SysOp lol.. that's the difference with the 90s, you had to install everything yourself so you knew which features were enabled, now a setup is run... and voila working.

    thanks for pointing this out... and yes I have to take some time to RTFM.

    HAWKEYE

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  • From Derision@VERT/AMIGAC to Vk3jed on Wed Jul 18 02:26:26 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Vk3jed to Derision on Tue Jul 17 2018 18:21:00

    The software for ICQ is a joke these days. Owned by some Russian company, it's nowhere near what it used to be, unfortunately.

    I haven't used ICQ in years. Does Pidgin still work on ICQ?

    I do not know. I haven't used the official ICQ client software in forever. I tried the new one, but it was awful and crashy on macOS. I know that Adium on Mac still works with it, though even at this point that software is kind of pointless because the ability to login to several different chat services with one client isn't helpful since AIM, Y!M, MSN, etc. have folded.

    However, I think that Adium uses Pidgin libraries, or is essentially a Mac version of Pidgin, so it very well might. From what I recall back in the olden days, ICQ was using a version of AOL's AIM protocol, though whether they still are is anyone's guess.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hawkeye on Tue Jul 17 19:44:23 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Hawkeye to Digital Man on Tue Jul 17 2018 08:05 pm

    If you're running Synchronet, you probably have IRC and don't even
    know it. Try hitting 'R' from the Chat menu. :-)

    uhm... LOL... no I didnt know this.. checked it out and it worked... what a SysOp lol.. that's the difference with the 90s, you had to install everything yourself so you knew which features were enabled, now a setup is run... and voila working.

    You might be surprised what all servers Synchronet includes. Synchronet includes built-in servers for telnet, SSH, RLogin, IRC, web, NNTP (newsgroups), email (SMTP/POP), and I think a few others as well.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Derision on Wed Jul 18 17:33:00 2018
    On 07-18-18 02:26, Derision wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I do not know. I haven't used the official ICQ client software in
    forever. I tried the new one, but it was awful and crashy on macOS. I
    know that Adium on Mac still works with it, though even at this point
    that software is kind of pointless because the ability to login to
    several different chat services with one client isn't helpful since
    AIM, Y!M, MSN, etc. have folded.

    Yeah, Yahoo "revamped" their chat system and it was crap, never went back (and uninstalled their client). MSN rolled into Skype. AIM shut down. ICQ was the first and seems to be the only real survivor. :)

    However, I think that Adium uses Pidgin libraries, or is essentially a
    Mac version of Pidgin, so it very well might. From what I recall back
    in the olden days, ICQ was using a version of AOL's AIM protocol,
    though whether they still are is anyone's guess.

    Yeah, I think ICQ changed to the AIM like protocol years ago. Their original proticil had issues with NAT, IIRC.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Wed Jul 18 17:54:00 2018
    On 07-17-18 19:44, Nightfox wrote to Hawkeye <=-

    You might be surprised what all servers Synchronet includes.
    Synchronet includes built-in servers for telnet, SSH, RLogin, IRC, web, NNTP (newsgroups), email (SMTP/POP), and I think a few others as well.

    Yep, Synchronet is definitely full featured when it comes to Internet services.
    That was (and is) one of the things I really like about it.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Wed Jul 18 08:30:58 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Wed Jul 18 2018 05:54 pm

    Yep, Synchronet is definitely full featured when it comes to Internet services.

    That's what got me back into BBSing -- I'd retired my dial-up node when the callership dropped and I needed the phone line for business.

    A couple of years later, I inherited a HP Celeron box, and played with Synchronet; I was pleasantly surprised by how much I could run on a cast-off Windows box with Synchronet.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Derision on Wed Jul 18 09:33:53 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Derision to Vk3jed on Wed Jul 18 2018 02:26 am

    However, I think that Adium uses Pidgin libraries, or is essentially a Mac version of Pidgin, so it very well might. From what I recall back in the olden days, ICQ was using a version of AOL's AIM protocol, though whether they still are is anyone's guess.

    From what I remember, ICQ was bought by AOL at some point, so I know they owned ICQ for a little while, but I'm not sure if it used the AIM protocol.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 18 15:59:16 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Wed Jul 18 2018 08:30 am

    Yep, Synchronet is definitely full featured when it comes to Internet services.

    That's what got me back into BBSing -- I'd retired my dial-up node when the callership dropped and I needed the phone line for business.



    what got me into using synchronet is the stability. there wasnt much
    out there that actually worked. i was struggling with the old netmodem.
    i think there was com ip, netmodem and a few usable softwares back in 2000. synchronet was very alient to me but i picked up on it quick enough.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 19 07:45:00 2018
    On 07-18-18 08:30, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    That's what got me back into BBSing -- I'd retired my dial-up node when the callership dropped and I needed the phone line for business.

    We dropped our BBS when the Internet took over. Tried running it as a telnet board (SIO/Vmodem on OS/2), but the world wasn't quite ready then. Wish I had discovered Synchronet years earlier

    A couple of years later, I inherited a HP Celeron box, and played with Synchronet; I was pleasantly surprised by how much I could run on a cast-off Windows box with Synchronet.

    BBS software of the day (90s) being DOS with a smattering of Windows was actually a major hurdle. I reanitioned quickly in the late 90s to using Linux for any server type work. Had I had a native Linux BBS line Synchronet in the early 2000s, I'd have run it on the Linux machine of the day which was a router and IRLP node, and therefore had to run 24x7. A BBS would have been a perfect fit. :)


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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Nightfox on Wed Jul 18 19:58:39 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Nightfox to Hawkeye on Tue Jul 17 2018 19:44:23

    You might be surprised what all servers Synchronet includes. Synchronet includes built-in servers for telnet, SSH, RLogin, IRC, web, NNTP (newsgroups), email (SMTP/POP), and I think a few others as well.

    Damn I want to read how to NNTP too. The web hosting part I didnt touch either, would like the newer V4. time time time...

    HAWKEYE

    - MASH BBS - mash4077.ddns.net - The Netherlands -

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hawkeye on Wed Jul 18 18:31:19 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Hawkeye to Nightfox on Wed Jul 18 2018 07:58 pm

    Damn I want to read how to NNTP too. The web hosting part I didnt touch either, would like the newer V4. time time time...

    Synchronet V4 hasn't been created yet. 3.16 is the latest officially released version, and there are v3.17 developmental builds available now too.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Wed Jul 18 21:51:45 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 18 2018 03:59 pm

    2000. synchronet was very alient to me but i picked up on it quick enough.

    For me, I think the most different thing about Synchronet (compared to other BBS packages) is that Synchronet uses command shells rather than having a traditional menu editor like other BBS packages do. At first I wondered if it would be a hassle to create custom menu items and a custom menu structure (which I wanted to do, since I like making the BBS my own unique system), but I was able to learn Baja well enough to make my own command shell. I later re-wrote my command shell in JavaScript. I think Synchronet's JavaScript interface is fairly cool (I just tend to prefer JavaScript over Baja).

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Wed Jul 18 22:56:15 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Nightfox to Hawkeye on Tue Jul 17 2018 07:44 pm

    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Hawkeye to Digital Man on Tue Jul 17 2018 08:05 pm

    If you're running Synchronet, you probably have IRC and don't even
    know it. Try hitting 'R' from the Chat menu. :-)

    uhm... LOL... no I didnt know this.. checked it out and it worked... what a SysOp lol.. that's the difference with the 90s, you had to install everything yourself so you knew which features were enabled, now a setup is run... and voila working.

    You might be surprised what all servers Synchronet includes. Synchronet includes built-in servers for telnet, SSH, RLogin, IRC, web, NNTP (newsgroups), email (SMTP/POP), and I think a few others as well.

    True. But in this case, it was a client (the IRC client, exec/irc.js), not a server. There's also finger, http and other clients in there.

    digital man

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #72:
    Synchronet CIOXTRN (created by Deuce) is a 32-bit replacement for DOORWAY. Norco, CA WX: 69.2°F, 83.0% humidity, 4 mph E wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Wed Jul 18 23:36:02 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Nightfox to Hawkeye on Wed Jul 18 2018 06:31 pm

    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Hawkeye to Nightfox on Wed Jul 18 2018 07:58 pm

    Damn I want to read how to NNTP too. The web hosting part I didnt touch either, would like the newer V4. time time time...

    Synchronet V4 hasn't been created yet. 3.16 is the latest officially released version, and there are v3.17 developmental builds available now too.

    Pretty sure he's referring to echicken's v4 web UI.

    digital man

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #86:
    Stephen and Rob have a fledgling podcast at http://techdorks.net (also iTunes). Norco, CA WX: 68.4°F, 85.0% humidity, 6 mph E wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thu Jul 19 18:03:00 2018
    On 07-18-18 21:51, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

    make my own command shell. I later re-wrote my command shell in JavaScript. I think Synchronet's JavaScript interface is fairly cool
    (I just tend to prefer JavaScript over Baja).

    I've only tinkered lightly with Javascript in the menus, but the little I have done has left me impressed. Just need the time and focus to sit down and learn it. :)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Thu Jul 19 09:08:00 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Jul 18 2018 11:36 pm

    Synchronet V4 hasn't been created yet. 3.16 is the latest officially
    released version, and there are v3.17 developmental builds available
    now too.

    Pretty sure he's referring to echicken's v4 web UI.

    Ah, I may have misread what he was referring to.

    Nightfox

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Nightfox on Thu Jul 19 13:53:45 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Nightfox to Hawkeye on Wed Jul 18 2018 18:31:19

    Damn I want to read how to NNTP too. The web hosting part I didnt touch either, would like the newer V4. time time time...
    Synchronet V4 hasn't been created yet. 3.16 is the latest officially released version, and there are v3.17 developmental builds available now too.

    I mean the synchronet-web-v4 : https://github.com/echicken/synchronet-web-v4

    The echicken one.

    Which do you all use?

    HAWKEYE

    - MASH BBS - mash4077.ddns.net - The Netherlands -

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Digital Man on Thu Jul 19 14:09:00 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Jul 18 2018 23:36:02

    Synchronet V4 hasn't been created yet. 3.16 is the latest officially released version, and there are v3.17 developmental builds available now too.

    Pretty sure he's referring to echicken's v4 web UI.

    Yes I was :)

    HAWKEYE

    - MASH BBS - mash4077.ddns.net - The Netherlands -

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  • From Ed Vance@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Vk3jed on Thu Jul 19 21:15:00 2018
    07-19-18 18:03 Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox about Re: Mac's
    Howdy! VK3JED,

    @VIA: VERT/FREEWAY
    @MSGID: <5B504711.2875.dove-general@freeway.apana.org.au>
    @REPLY: <5B5018E1.36506.dove_dove-gen@digitaldistortionbbs.com>
    On 07-18-18 21:51, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

    make my own command shell. I later re-wrote my command shell in JavaScript. I think Synchronet's JavaScript interface is fairly cool
    (I just tend to prefer JavaScript over Baja).

    I've only tinkered lightly with Javascript in the menus, but the little
    I have done has left me impressed. Just need the time and focus to sit down and learn it. :)

    I started learning BASIC from reading Program Listings in Popular Electronics and Radio-Electronics magazines.

    In the 1970's I went in a Radio Shack store and typed a program on a TRS-80 Demo.

    The program drew a very large Star on the screen. (made out of -'s or *'s).

    I occasionally look for that program in my collection of Magazines but
    ain't found it yet.

    If anyone knows what issue of PE or R-E that program was published in, I
    would appreciate it very much.

    ... Have you checked your smoke detector batteries & Fire Ext, LATELY?!

    The Tagline that You used is a old Tagline that I modified a bit.
    THANKS!, for likeing it enuf to use in Your messages.

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .



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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Ed Vance on Fri Jul 20 23:47:00 2018
    On 07-19-18 21:15, Ed Vance wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I started learning BASIC from reading Program Listings in Popular Electronics and Radio-Electronics magazines.

    I did similar in the 80s. :)

    In the 1970's I went in a Radio Shack store and typed a program on a TRS-80 Demo.

    The good old "Trash 80". They were a nice machine in their day though. Never had one myself

    The program drew a very large Star on the screen. (made out of -'s or *'s).

    I had some demo programs like that, but written in either Applesoft BASIC for the Apple //, or Turbo Pascal for CP/M (never bothered porting those to the PC though)

    ... Have you checked your smoke detector batteries & Fire Ext, LATELY?!

    The Tagline that You used is a old Tagline that I modified a bit.
    THANKS!, for likeing it enuf to use in Your messages.

    As a volunteer firefighter, I consider it a professional touch. And over here, fire prevention through community education is one of our primary roles - there is more emphasis on educating people, so we're not needed to sort out a disaster. :)


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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Nightfox on Fri Jul 20 14:51:03 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Thu Jul 19 2018 09:08:00

    Ah, I may have misread what he was referring to.
    You didnt misread that Nightfox, I was just not using the correct name :)


    HAWKEYE

    - MASH BBS - mash4077.ddns.net - The Netherlands -

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  • From Matthew Munson@VERT/IUTOPIA to CHAI on Sat Jul 21 08:49:00 2018
    If that's the case, I need to configure my mom's iPhone to block spam calls. She gets a ridiculous amount. There is talk going around that
    the FCC may decide to cap the number of daily calls people can make to thwart robo-dialing. If it works, I'm for it.
    The program I used to try to reduce some of the junk calls on my iphone
    is RoboKiller.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Matthew Munson on Sat Jul 21 23:21:02 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Matthew Munson to CHAI on Sat Jul 21 2018 08:49 am

    If that's the case, I need to configure my mom's iPhone to block spam calls. She gets a ridiculous amount. There is talk going around that the FCC may decide to cap the number of daily calls people can make to thwart robo-dialing. If it works, I'm for it.
    The program I used to try to reduce some of the junk calls on my iphone
    is RoboKiller.


    if she's really getting that many calls , i would change the phone number.
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  • From Matthew Munson@VERT/IUTOPIA to MRO on Sun Jul 22 08:10:00 2018
    MRO wrote to Matthew Munson <=-

    The program I used to try to reduce some of the junk calls on my iphone
    is RoboKiller.

    if she's really getting that many calls , i would change the phone
    number. ---
    Bots are getting crafty such as my personal line begins with xxx-525 and then they make calls with xxx-525-1234 to try to cajoile people to answer said call.

    ... You Can't Fix STUPID, But You Can VOTE IT OUT!
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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Matthew Munson on Sun Jul 22 15:58:42 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Matthew Munson to MRO on Sun Jul 22 2018 08:10 am

    Bots are getting crafty such as my personal line begins with xxx-525 and then they make calls with xxx-525-1234 to try to cajoile people to answer said call.

    Yep, I get anwhere from 2-6 of these a day at this point. it's irrtating as hell, and now I refuse to answer the phone unless it's a number I recognize.

    DaiTengu

    ... Prepare to meet thy GOD! (Evening dress optional)

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Vk3jed on Tue Jul 31 22:42:42 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Vk3jed to Derision on Sat Jun 23 2018 18:30:00

    I knew a few people that used Firewire outside of Macs. It was big in

    With video editing I used a lot of firewire connection on my PC. A lot of camcorder had firewire connections.


    HAWKEYE

    - MASH BBS - mash4077.ddns.net - The Netherlands -

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 31 23:00:54 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Digital Man on Sun Jul 01 2018 06:34:09

    ESDI, Man!

    My first Netware Novell server had ESDI.... 150 MB

    HAWKEYE

    - MASH BBS - mash4077.ddns.net - The Netherlands -

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hawkeye on Wed Aug 1 12:42:00 2018
    On 07-31-18 22:42, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    With video editing I used a lot of firewire connection on my PC. A lot
    of camcorder had firewire connections.

    Same here, for a number of years.


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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Vk3jed on Thu Aug 2 13:09:29 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Vk3jed to Hawkeye on Wed Aug 01 2018 12:42:00

    With video editing I used a lot of firewire connection on my PC. A lot of camcorder had firewire connections.
    Same here, for a number of years.

    What amazed me was the speed of firewire compared to usb back then. I had an external firewire hdd and that was super fast compared to usb.

    HAWKEYE

    - MASH BBS - mash4077.ddns.net - The Netherlands -

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hawkeye on Thu Aug 2 12:46:42 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Hawkeye to Vk3jed on Thu Aug 02 2018 01:09 pm

    What amazed me was the speed of firewire compared to usb back then. I had an external firewire hdd and that was super fast compared to usb.

    I heard Firewire was faster than USB back then, but I don't know of many devices that used Firewire. It seemed Firewire was popular with Apple computers, but most other PC devices used USB. I've had PCs with a Firewire port but never used firewire myself..

    Recently I bought an external USB3.0 hard drive which is fairly fast. One of my older PCs had a couple of eSATA (external SATA) ports, and for a short time I used an external hard drive via eSATA, which was really fast, basically as fast as an internal SATA drive. For some reason the eSATA interface stopped working for me though, and I'm not sure why..

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hawkeye on Fri Aug 3 09:13:00 2018
    On 08-02-18 13:09, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    What amazed me was the speed of firewire compared to usb back then. I
    had an external firewire hdd and that was super fast compared to usb.

    Yeah, Firewire was initially MUCH faster than USB and even outperformed USB2, though USB2 was faster on paper.


    ... Voluteers are being given fake placebos.
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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Nightfox on Fri Aug 3 01:21:08 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Nightfox to Hawkeye on Thu Aug 02 2018 12:46:42

    Recently I bought an external USB3.0 hard drive which is fairly fast. One of my older PCs had a couple of eSATA (external SATA) ports, and for a short time I used an external hard drive via eSATA, which was really fast, basically as fast as an internal SATA drive. For some reason the eSATA interface stopped working for me though, and I'm not sure why..

    USB3 is fast but in that era USB2 was there against firewire. 480mbit vs 3 gbit. But that wasnt even the biggest advantage. USB speeds are sharing the bandwith while firewire doesnt. I had a HDV Camera on firewire and a WD external hdd and I could easily capture video on that drive. USB wasnt able to do this, now on usb3 it can. Firewire is gone on PC and Mac but thunderbolt/usb-c is now the winner,

    eSATA is nice but maximum 6 Gbps, like firewire 800. I think they left it out in favor for USB3 and thunderbolt in newer boards as there are not enough pcie lanes for all. On a X99/X299 you will find some eSATA ports as they have more pci lanes that the normal consumer boards.

    HAWKEYE

    - MASH BBS - mash4077.ddns.net - The Netherlands -

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Vk3jed on Fri Aug 3 14:38:17 2018
    Re: Re: Mac's
    By: Vk3jed to Hawkeye on Fri Aug 03 2018 09:13:00

    Yeah, Firewire was initially MUCH faster than USB and even outperformed USB2, though USB2 was faster on paper.

    yeah the problem was the poor performance with more devices on the same bus. Firewire could handle this better due to IO chips.

    HAWKEYE

    - MASH BBS - mash4077.ddns.net - The Netherlands -

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hawkeye on Sat Aug 4 09:16:00 2018
    On 08-03-18 14:38, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    yeah the problem was the poor performance with more devices on the same bus. Firewire could handle this better due to IO chips.

    I see. Firewire certainly was the better performar when the going got tough.


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