Does anyone have a good deal on some 45 acp target amo?

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Chris wrote to All <=-

Does anyone have a good deal on some 45 acp target amo?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Good one!



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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Gamgee to Chris on Mon Sep 06 2021 08:09 pm

Chris wrote to All <=-

Does anyone have a good deal on some 45 acp target amo?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Good one!

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hahaha gotta have some fun.. thank god for cheaper than dirt!

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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Chris to Gamgee on Thu Sep 09 2021 04:29 pm

Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Gamgee to Chris on Mon Sep 06 2021 08:09 pm

Chris wrote to All <=-

Does anyone have a good deal on some 45 acp target amo?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Good one!

... Smith & Wesson: The ORIGINAL point-and-click interface.

hahaha gotta have some fun.. thank god for cheaper than dirt!

Cheaper than dirt should change their name to Expensive as f^&$. They will have stock, but it will be outside the range of only those who want the
product really bad. An item is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. I blame the buyers, not the sellers, for pushing up the prices.

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Chris wrote to All <=-

Does anyone have a good deal on some 45 acp target amo?

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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Moondog to Chris on Thu Sep 09 2021 11:26 pm

ant that the truth. I was going to get into reloading but never did.

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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Weatherman to Chris on Sat Sep 11 2021 12:52 am

Chris wrote to All <=-

Does anyone have a good deal on some 45 acp target amo?

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I roll my own.

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Reloading is the best way to go if you shoot alot. You can invest several hundred in equipment, but it will pay for itself in no time.

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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Chris to Moondog on Fri Sep 10 2021 09:11 pm

Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Moondog to Chris on Thu Sep 09 2021 11:26 pm

ant that the truth. I was going to get into reloading but never did.

Precision ammo is where you really see the savings. You can play with bullet seating length and different powder types and volumes to tune your ammo specifically to your rifle. Benchrest shooters are fanatical about it, but they love the results.

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Moondog wrote to Weatherman <=-

Does anyone have a good deal on some 45 acp target amo?

I roll my own.

Reloading is the best way to go if you shoot alot. You can
invest several hundred in equipment, but it will pay for itself
in no time.

Actually, it's realistically several thousand, and it will take quite a
long while to actually make that "pay for itself". Don't get me wrong,
it's a great idea, and I do it myself, but it's not really that much
cheaper, especially if you factor in the value of your time.



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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Gamgee to Moondog on Sat Sep 11 2021 06:17 pm

Moondog wrote to Weatherman <=-

Does anyone have a good deal on some 45 acp target amo?

I roll my own.

Reloading is the best way to go if you shoot alot. You can
invest several hundred in equipment, but it will pay for itself
in no time.

Actually, it's realistically several thousand, and it will take quite a
long while to actually make that "pay for itself". Don't get me wrong,
it's a great idea, and I do it myself, but it's not really that much cheaper, especially if you factor in the value of your time.

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I'm not sure if I mentioned before it depends on the grade of ammo you are producing. Match grade/ benchrest ammo will save you more money than recreating 9mm hardball or 55gr .223 for plinking. I used to break even when
I reloaded shotshells, then when I began producing specialty loads such as lig hter recoiling 1oz loads for the 12 ga, it really paid off because I don't
know of many places you can find them.

Regarding hundreds or thousands, it also depends on how far you go. I don't run a Dillon progressive. My presses are single stage. If I shot IDPA or steel challenge, I would probably invest in a larger press than can put out several hundred rounds an hour. For now, it's smaller batches of ammo for ladder testing. I would like to dial in a nice 77gr Vmax load that will let
me reach out to the woodchucks and raccoons at the edge of the woods.

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Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-

Reloading is the best way to go if you shoot alot. You can
invest several hundred in equipment, but it will pay for itself
in no time.

Actually, it's realistically several thousand, and it will take quite a
long while to actually make that "pay for itself". Don't get me wrong,
it's a great idea, and I do it myself, but it's not really that much cheaper, especially if you factor in the value of your time.

I'm not sure if I mentioned before it depends on the grade of
ammo you are producing. Match grade/ benchrest ammo will save
you more money than recreating 9mm hardball or 55gr .223 for
plinking.

Very true, and that wasn't mentioned before... What was said was
"shooting a lot", which probably isn't referencing match-grade ammo.

I used to break even when I reloaded shotshells, then
when I began producing specialty loads such as lig hter recoiling
1oz loads for the 12 ga, it really paid off because I don't know
of many places you can find them.

Yeah, shotshells have always been break-even-at-best, generally
speaking. A 1oz load for a 12 ga doesn't kick enough to even fiddle
with. I generally shoot 1 1/8 oz loads, 3 dram equiv, 1200 fps of #8
(for skeet / sporting clays).

Regarding hundreds or thousands, it also depends on how far you
go. I don't run a Dillon progressive. My presses are single
stage. If I shot IDPA or steel challenge, I would probably
invest in a larger press than can put out several hundred rounds
an hour. For now, it's smaller batches of ammo for ladder
testing.

Ahhh, OK again it was a little confusing because originally you said "if
you shoot a lot". If you're shooting "a lot" of reloaded ammo, one
would assume a progressive. And yes, a Dillon XL650 with all the
trimmings will be several thousand. ;-)

I would like to dial in a nice 77gr Vmax load that will
let me reach out to the woodchucks and raccoons at the edge of
the woods.

A worthy goal there, and not real simple. Also need to have a barrel
with the right spin ratio for those 77's. Good luck!


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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Weatherman to Chris on Sat Sep 11 2021 12:52 am

Chris wrote to All <=-

i would love to do that. I have a nice garage i just need to work on it some with electrical etc but a basic "roll your own" station is a must. What would you recomend for a reloader? I looked into it 5 years ago so im lost on the good brands.

chris

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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Moondog to Chris on Sat Sep 11 2021 05:45 pm

I dont know if i would go that in depth. I am just looking to do target amo and maybe some hollow points but at first ill be sticking to only 45acp for my 1911. I have a ar build I am working on.

chris

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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Moondog to Gamgee on Sun Sep 12 2021 10:52 am

I am about to purchase a keltec pmr30 for the woodchucks hahahah. Ya i remeber someone telling me good things about the dillon machines, I think it will be one I'll look into. I only have a small area to do it in due to my other hobbies hahahah.



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Chris wrote to Moondog <=-

Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Moondog to Gamgee on Sun Sep 12 2021 10:52 am

I am about to purchase a keltec pmr30 for the woodchucks hahahah.
Ya i remeber someone telling me good things about the dillon
machines, I think it will be one I'll look into. I only have a
small area to do it in due to my other hobbies hahahah.

You've forgotten how to quote, again.



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CHRIS wrote to ALL <=-

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Does anyone have a good deal on some 45 acp target amo?

They don't show it right now, but Acadamy is a good place to
buy in general. I've been ordering 9mm Brass 124 grain for $20
a box!




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CHRIS wrote to MOONDOG <=-

By: Moondog to Chris on Thu Sep 09 2021 11:26 pm

ant that the truth. I was going to get into reloading but never did.

Same here. Always had a small interest in it. Now that I have a .357
lever gun I might start loading some .38's... I'd like to cast my
own bullets too...

Yes, when I bake a pie or cake I like to do it from scratch. :-)




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GAMGEE wrote to MOONDOG <=-

Does anyone have a good deal on some 45 acp target amo?

I roll my own.

Reloading is the best way to go if you shoot alot. You can
invest several hundred in equipment, but it will pay for itself
in no time.

Actually, it's realistically several thousand, and it will take quite a long while to actually make that "pay for itself". Don't get me wrong, it's a great idea, and I do it myself, but it's not really that much cheaper, especially if you factor in the value of your time.

Yeah - that's one reason I never did... I have a full time job and I have
other hobbies that I don't get to take part it because of time, so to
invest a lot to not have time... well... LOL






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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Gamgee to Moondog on Sun Sep 12 2021 02:42 pm

Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-

Reloading is the best way to go if you shoot alot. You can
invest several hundred in equipment, but it will pay for itself
in no time.

Actually, it's realistically several thousand, and it will take quite a long while to actually make that "pay for itself". Don't get me wrong, it's a great idea, and I do it myself, but it's not really that much cheaper, especially if you factor in the value of your time.

I'm not sure if I mentioned before it depends on the grade of
ammo you are producing. Match grade/ benchrest ammo will save
you more money than recreating 9mm hardball or 55gr .223 for
plinking.

Very true, and that wasn't mentioned before... What was said was
"shooting a lot", which probably isn't referencing match-grade ammo.

I used to break even when I reloaded shotshells, then
when I began producing specialty loads such as lig hter recoiling
1oz loads for the 12 ga, it really paid off because I don't know
of many places you can find them.

Yeah, shotshells have always been break-even-at-best, generally
speaking. A 1oz load for a 12 ga doesn't kick enough to even fiddle
with. I generally shoot 1 1/8 oz loads, 3 dram equiv, 1200 fps of #8
(for skeet / sporting clays).

Regarding hundreds or thousands, it also depends on how far you
go. I don't run a Dillon progressive. My presses are single
stage. If I shot IDPA or steel challenge, I would probably
invest in a larger press than can put out several hundred rounds
an hour. For now, it's smaller batches of ammo for ladder
testing.

Ahhh, OK again it was a little confusing because originally you said "if
you shoot a lot". If you're shooting "a lot" of reloaded ammo, one
would assume a progressive. And yes, a Dillon XL650 with all the
trimmings will be several thousand. ;-)

I would like to dial in a nice 77gr Vmax load that will
let me reach out to the woodchucks and raccoons at the edge of
the woods.

A worthy goal there, and not real simple. Also need to have a barrel
with the right spin ratio for those 77's. Good luck!

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LaRue Stealth 18" barrel with a 1-7 twist. it will stabize up to an 80 grain pill no problem. I also have a 20" Wilson bull barrel (1-7 twist) that does the job if I do my part. I have access to property where I can shoot out to 700 yards in the right spot, but realisitically I will never see a shot over 300.

I have a Savage 110FP with a factory barrel and trigger that would place 5 sho ts of 167 gr .308 Hornady spire points under 3/4" at 100 yards. That is from bags while shooting prone, so it's more or less what the gun can do, and not t he shooter.

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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Chris to Weatherman on Sun Sep 12 2021 02:56 pm

Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Weatherman to Chris on Sat Sep 11 2021 12:52 am

Chris wrote to All <=-

i would love to do that. I have a nice garage i just need to work on it some

chris

RCBS makes a good starter kit with nearly everything you need. It's a single stage press, however I would go that route before getting involved with the higher rate progressives at first.

With a single stage it's about batch processing. Pick one session for
cleaning and re-sizing your brass. Another session to trim and uniform the primer pockets. Another session to prime, then the final session to charge
the cases, then cap and seat the bullets. A progressive with move each case
to the next process each time you pull the lever, however getting everything tuned up and timed is not something a novice should try.

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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Chris to Moondog on Sun Sep 12 2021 02:59 pm

Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Moondog to Chris on Sat Sep 11 2021 05:45 pm

I dont know if i would go that in depth. I am just looking to do target amo

chris

If I can find a good price on components and buy in bulk, I can create a superior quality round than I can buy at cheap ammo prices.

For general plinking I do not get as meticulous, yet yield better ammo than I can pay for at a similar price. I follow the manual and yield a safe load at the velocity I want it at, then crank away at the press.

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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Chris to Moondog on Sun Sep 12 2021 03:01 pm

Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Moondog to Gamgee on Sun Sep 12 2021 10:52 am

I am about to purchase a keltec pmr30 for the woodchucks hahahah. Ya i remeb

chris

A pmr 30 fires a .22wmr (rimfire) round. These are not reloadable. If
you're really geeky you can save the empty cases, push out the rim, and
recycle them into bullet jackets for larger caliber bullets. This is way
more intensive a process for the regular shooter. RCBS made their way into reloading during metal shortages during WWII by recycling .22LR cases.

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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to CHRIS on Mon Sep 13 2021 02:33 pm

CHRIS wrote to ALL <=-

@VIA: THEDARKA
@MSGID: <61368D66.1.dove-firearms@8.26.21.48>
Does anyone have a good deal on some 45 acp target amo?

They don't show it right now, but Acadamy is a good place to
buy in general. I've been ordering 9mm Brass 124 grain for $20
a box!

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That's better than $35 a box, but has far to go to get back to .21 a round or less.

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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to CHRIS on Mon Sep 13 2021 02:34 pm

CHRIS wrote to MOONDOG <=-

By: Moondog to Chris on Thu Sep 09 2021 11:26 pm

ant that the truth. I was going to get into reloading but never did.

Same here. Always had a small interest in it. Now that I have a .357
lever gun I might start loading some .38's... I'd like to cast my
own bullets too...

Yes, when I bake a pie or cake I like to do it from scratch. :-)

... I'm always late. My ancestors arrived on the Juneflower.

I haven't tried casting yet. The club I belong to has yearly bullet trap cleanouts, so a source of workable lead alloy is not an issue. I know some
who powder coat their cast bullets to reduce barrel fouling.


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MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

CHRIS wrote to ALL <=-

Does anyone have a good deal on some 45 acp target amo?

They don't show it right now, but Acadamy is a good place to
buy in general. I've been ordering 9mm Brass 124 grain for $20
a box!

That's better than $35 a box, but has far to go to get back to .21 a
round or less.

Very true... I think we're still a ways from those prices again...





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MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

Same here. Always had a small interest in it. Now that I have a .357
lever gun I might start loading some .38's... I'd like to cast my
own bullets too...

Yes, when I bake a pie or cake I like to do it from scratch. :-)

I haven't tried casting yet. The club I belong to has yearly bullet
trap cleanouts, so a source of workable lead alloy is not an issue. I know some who powder coat their cast bullets to reduce barrel fouling.

Been seeing that in the magazines...




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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Moondog to Gamgee on Sun Sep 12 2021 10:52 am

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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Moondog to Gamgee on Sun Sep 12 2021 10:52 am

I just purchased a keltec PMR30 lol.. 30 rounds of 22 mag and are fireball spitters.. great for woodchucks.. been slammed with work and have not had time to even log into my own bbs to check mail hahah. I think i am going to grab a rugar 57... my buddy had a ps90 and a fn57 and man it was a great round to shoot even though expensive haha.


chris

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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to MOONDOG on Mon Sep 20 2021 10:32 pm

MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

CHRIS wrote to ALL <=-

Does anyone have a good deal on some 45 acp target amo?

They don't show it right now, but Acadamy is a good place to
buy in general. I've been ordering 9mm Brass 124 grain for $20
a box!

That's better than $35 a box, but has far to go to get back to .21 a round or less.

Very true... I think we're still a ways from those prices again...

... 1024x768x256.... sounds like one mean woman.

I remeber those 20$ box days for 9mm 50rd's man I do miss them. I just purchased a cheap co2 bb gun off amazon.. its great to plink around the back yard hahah 417fps so it goes good! I only have some home defense 45acps and a box or 2 of 50 for range stuff.. I have not been to a range in like 4 years its sad... atleast I am good with the bb gun!


chris

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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to MOONDOG on Mon Sep 20 2021 10:32 pm

MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

Same here. Always had a small interest in it. Now that I have a .357 lever gun I might start loading some .38's... I'd like to cast my
own bullets too...

Yes, when I bake a pie or cake I like to do it from scratch. :-)

I haven't tried casting yet. The club I belong to has yearly bullet trap cleanouts, so a source of workable lead alloy is not an issue. I know some who powder coat their cast bullets to reduce barrel fouling.

Been seeing that in the magazines...

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Harbor Frieght sells an inpensive kit and powders, and you can use a toaster oven to cook the coating on. Some forgo the oven and do a "shake without the bake" and place some powder coat in a bag with the bullets, and add a bit of acetone to dissolve the paint. After a shake or two to spread the paint around, you take them out of the bag and let sunlight cook of fthe acetone
and hardent he powdercoat. It's not as even, so you re-size the coated bullets. The paint is durable enough it doesn't crack off while sizing.

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Chris wrote to Weatherman <=-

Chris wrote to All <=-

i would love to do that. I have a nice garage i just need to work on it some with electrical etc but a basic "roll your own" station is a must. What would you recomend for a reloader? I looked into it 5 years ago so
im lost on the good brands.

chris

I guess it depends on what you want to get out of the hobby. Asking that question is like asking what the best car is, or the best anything. Everyone you ask is going to have a different opinion. I use single station presses, one is RCBS Reloader Special II, the other is a CH. My shotgun presses (as most are) are turret types, both are MEC presses. These work fine for me as I don't load or shoot a large quantity so one stage at a time, one round at a time works well. Those with an interest running more towards quantity and (slightly) less toward quality would probably be better served with a turret or progressive press.

I think the most important factor is.... Get what you can afford right now, use it, get into the swing of the hobby and then upgrade as you identify your particular needs. You'll always be able to sell the equipment you've outgrown as long as it's not abused.


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Chris wrote to Moondog <=-

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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Moondog to Gamgee on Sun Sep 12 2021 10:52 am

I am about to purchase a keltec pmr30 for the woodchucks hahahah. Ya i remeber someone telling me good things about the dillon machines, I
think it will be one I'll look into. I only have a small area to do it
in due to my other hobbies hahahah.

chris

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CHRIS wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

I remeber those 20$ box days for 9mm 50rd's man I do miss them. I just

They are coming back... Been paying that for them recently...








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I bought 9mm 50 round brass here in Florida for $14.99 each 4 weeks back...in Shooters World

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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Richard to JIMMY ANDERSON on Sat Nov 06 2021 01:26 am

I bought 9mm 50 round brass here in Florida for $14.99 each 4 weeks back...i Shooters World

Richard

Not too shabby. Last year about this time it was at $33 if you could find it

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Re: Re: 45 acp amo
By: Richard to Moondog on Sat Nov 06 2021 08:51 pm

What state are you living in. I moved out of California 3 year back to Flor Tampa area... Nice here

Michigan, southwest corner. Lived here all my life.

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RICHARD wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

I bought 9mm 50 round brass here in Florida for $14.99 each 4 weeks back...in Shooters World

I've not heard of that store - I don't know of one around here - but
I'm finding it more and more at the 18 - 20 a box price...




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