In spite of any differences you and I have had in the past...I guess we have one thing in common. I want an M1 badly.
Me, too, but I can never afford one that is in working order. :)
ryan wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Me, too, but I can never afford one that is in working order. :)
I thought they were a few hundred bucks for a shooter grade?
In spite of any differences you and I have had in the past...I guess we ha one thing in common. I want an M1 badly.
Me, too, but I can never afford one that is in working order. :)
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ryan wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Me, too, but I can never afford one that is in working order. :)
I thought they were a few hundred bucks for a shooter grade?
For one that you would actually want, and be safe to shoot, it's
in the neighborhood of 1000-1200. This is from the CMP, which is
the only place that I would buy one.
... Do NOT look into laser with remaining eyeball.
Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-
Me, too, but I can never afford one that is in working order. :)
I thought they were a few hundred bucks for a shooter grade?
For one that you would actually want, and be safe to shoot, it's
in the neighborhood of 1000-1200. This is from the CMP, which is
the only place that I would buy one.
For a little more you can get a Fulton Armory or Inland replica
made with mode rn metallurgy and machining methods rather than a
near 80 year old rifle made in a plant that was cranking out
"good enough for war" toleranced rifles every 30 seconds.
For one that you would actually want, and be safe to shoot, it's
in the neighborhood of 1000-1200. This is from the CMP, which is
the only place that I would buy one.
Yeah.... I'll take the 80-year-old one. Thanks.
ryan wrote to Gamgee <=-
For one that you would actually want, and be safe to shoot, it's
in the neighborhood of 1000-1200. This is from the CMP, which is
the only place that I would buy one.
Gotcha. Well, the cool thing is that a shooter M1 is also a wall
hanger, so it's multitalented. lol.
What's CMP?
Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-
Yeah.... I'll take the 80-year-old one. Thanks.
I prefer the newer version because of modern metallurgy and
machining. Depending on when during the war older guns were made,
the quality of steel may be questioable, whereas modern
chrome-moly steel will last way longer and cnc-milled parts would
be easier to replace (if ever needed)rather than have to be hand
fit due to parts being milled or ground on machines that required
being smacked by a hammer to be adjusted.
For one that you would actually want, and be safe to shoot, it's
in the neighborhood of 1000-1200. This is from the CMP, which is
the only place that I would buy one.
Gotcha. Well, the cool thing is that a shooter M1 is also a wall hanger, so it's multitalented. lol.
What's CMP?
Yep, all true.
I'll still take the old one.
Moondog wrote to ryan <=-
Still pisses me off he got away with it. The Garand complied to all previous laws regarding importation and ownership.
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
Yep, all true.
I'll still take the old one.
After reading the posts from you both, I am thinking two would be
best... one for regular shooting, and the other for historical
display (and sometimes shooting!). <grin>
I think that because I would want one I could shoot without
worrying about something happening to it, while I also admire
them for the history element.
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
Yep, all true.
I'll still take the old one.
After reading the posts from you both, I am thinking two would be best... one for regular shooting, and the other for historical
display (and sometimes shooting!). <grin>
Sounds like the perfect solution! ;-)
I think that because I would want one I could shoot without
worrying about something happening to it, while I also admire
them for the history element.
Good points. Just as an FYI, they do make special ammo just for
an "original" (or partly original such as one from the CMP), which
is slightly less "hot" than current commercial .30-06 ammo. I
don't think there are any safety issues with an older one if you
are careful to use that type of ammo.
... Forbidden fruit is responsible for many a bad jam.
Gamgee wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
I think that because I would want one I could shoot without
worrying about something happening to it, while I also admire
them for the history element.
Good points. Just as an FYI, they do make special ammo just for
an "original" (or partly original such as one from the CMP), which
is slightly less "hot" than current commercial .30-06 ammo. I
don't think there are any safety issues with an older one if you
are careful to use that type of ammo.
DUMAS WALKER wrote to GAMGEE <=-
Yep, all true.
I'll still take the old one.
After reading the posts from you both, I am thinking two would be
best... one for regular shooting, and the other for historical display (and sometimes shooting!). <grin>
I think that because I would want one I could shoot without worrying
about something happening to it, while I also admire them for the
history element.
Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-
Good points. Just as an FYI, they do make special ammo just for
an "original" (or partly original such as one from the CMP), which
is slightly less "hot" than current commercial .30-06 ammo. I
don't think there are any safety issues with an older one if you
are careful to use that type of ammo.
In the mid 1950's when the 7.62x51 nato cartidge came out, it
used modern ball shaped propellants that allowed it to match the performance of the existing .30-06 ammo. New manufactured .30-06
runs at a higher pressure range and is about 100fps faster than
the government loads. There is some surplus ammo made by other
countries that fielded the Garand out there, but I haven't looked
into it. I have .308 and .30-06 dies and load my own.
Weatherman wrote to Gamgee <=-
Good points. Just as an FYI, they do make special ammo just for
an "original" (or partly original such as one from the CMP), which
is slightly less "hot" than current commercial .30-06 ammo. I
don't think there are any safety issues with an older one if you
are careful to use that type of ammo.
I've read on the interweb that commercial ammo with bullet
weights of 150 grains or less (although Hornady has a 168 grain
load that is Garand friendly) is suitable for feeding to your
Garand. I have purchased quite a bit of M2 equivalent ammo from http://www.ammogarand.com and had good results with it. They are
also a good source for bandoleers, en bloc clips, slings and some
other odds and ends M1.
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to DUMAS WALKER <=-
As of RIGHT NOW, I have no interest in the M1, but I can SURELY
appreciate the historical appeal! I'm in the market for an SKS
for that very reason. :-)
Gamgee wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
I think that because I would want one I could shoot without
worrying about something happening to it, while I also admire
them for the history element.
Good points. Just as an FYI, they do make special ammo just for
an "original" (or partly original such as one from the CMP), which
is slightly less "hot" than current commercial .30-06 ammo. I
don't think there are any safety issues with an older one if you
are careful to use that type of ammo.
I've read on the interweb that commercial ammo with bullet weights of 150 grains or less (although Hornady has a 168 grain load that is Garand friendl is suitable for feeding to your Garand. I have purchased quite a bit of M2 equivalent ammo from http://www.ammogarand.com and had good results with it. They are also a good source for bandoleers, en bloc clips, slings and some other odds and ends M1.
Regards,
-==*>Weatherman<*==-
... Internal Error: The system has been taken over by sheep at line 19960
DUMAS WALKER wrote to GAMGEE <=-
Yep, all true.
I'll still take the old one.
After reading the posts from you both, I am thinking two would be best... one for regular shooting, and the other for historical display (and sometimes shooting!). <grin>
I think that because I would want one I could shoot without worrying about something happening to it, while I also admire them for the history element.
As of RIGHT NOW, I have no interest in the M1, but I can SURELY appreciate the historical appeal! I'm in the market for an SKS for that very reason. :-)
And I read an article today about Brownell's M16 Proto - but that's too
much for me to spend. :-)
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Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-
Good points. Just as an FYI, they do make special ammo just for
an "original" (or partly original such as one from the CMP), which
is slightly less "hot" than current commercial .30-06 ammo. I
don't think there are any safety issues with an older one if you
are careful to use that type of ammo.
In the mid 1950's when the 7.62x51 nato cartidge came out, it
used modern ball shaped propellants that allowed it to match the performance of the existing .30-06 ammo. New manufactured .30-06
runs at a higher pressure range and is about 100fps faster than
the government loads. There is some surplus ammo made by other countries that fielded the Garand out there, but I haven't looked
into it. I have .308 and .30-06 dies and load my own.
Nice. I hope to get around to reloading one day... probably not
till I retire though.
I have shot quite a bit of the surplus Greek HXP ammo for the
Garand that the CMP sells. Seems to be good stuff.
... I'll be unstoppable when I get started.
Moondog wrote to Weatherman <=-
Gamgee wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
I think that because I would want one I could shoot without
worrying about something happening to it, while I also admire
them for the history element.
Good points. Just as an FYI, they do make special ammo just for
an "original" (or partly original such as one from the CMP), which
is slightly less "hot" than current commercial .30-06 ammo. I
don't think there are any safety issues with an older one if you
are careful to use that type of ammo.
I've read on the interweb that commercial ammo with bullet weights of 150 grains or less (although Hornady has a 168 grain load that is Garand friendl is suitable for feeding to your Garand. I have purchased quite a bit of M2 equivalent ammo from http://www.ammogarand.com and had good results with it. They are also a good source for bandoleers, en bloc clips, slings and some other odds and ends M1.
Regards,
-==*>Weatherman<*==-
Bullet weight makes no diffeernce. It's the powder charge that determines the
pressure. 147-150 grain fmj is standard combat bullet, and some
allied nations produced tons of it at the mil spec "Garand friendly" pressure.
Moondog wrote to Weatherman <=-
Gamgee wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
I think that because I would want one I could shoot without
worrying about something happening to it, while I also admire
them for the history element.
Good points. Just as an FYI, they do make special ammo just for
an "original" (or partly original such as one from the CMP), which is slightly less "hot" than current commercial .30-06 ammo. I
don't think there are any safety issues with an older one if you
are careful to use that type of ammo.
I've read on the interweb that commercial ammo with bullet weights of 150 grains or less (although Hornady has a 168 grain load that is Garand frie is suitable for feeding to your Garand. I have purchased quite a bit of equivalent ammo from http://www.ammogarand.com and had good results with They are also a good source for bandoleers, en bloc clips, slings and som other odds and ends M1.
Regards,
-==*>Weatherman<*==-
Forgive me for my choice of words.Bullet weight makes no diffeernce. It's the powder charge that determines the
pressure. 147-150 grain fmj is standard combat bullet, and some allied nations produced tons of it at the mil spec "Garand friendly" pressure.
I see, so the inertial mass makes no difference in the chamber pressure prof nor does the bearing surface of the heavier weight bullet. You've an amazin grasp of physics. Guess all my reloading manuals showing reduced powder loa for heavier weight bullets are no good and should be thrown out the window. I understand it, the issue is not the actual peak chamber pressure, but rath when it occurs in relation to the bullet's path down the barrel. I shall recognize you as the all-knowing, omniscient god of all things reloading, ye will still defer to the judgement of those who have owned, shot, and loaded the revered M1 Garand rifle.
Regards,
-==*>Weatherman<*==-
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